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Not only did they help us clear the occupying Germans from our territory but also provided us with funds to rebuild our lands, regardless of whether they or their opponents were once leveling them. And if I'm not mistaken it was in America that the means of massproducing the much-needed penicillin was discovered. So Europe has a lot to be grateful about the involvement of America in World War II, and believe me: we are! And frankly, I think that should have gone without me having to say so. <-- disappointed smiley.
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I appreciate your statements by the way. I know that you have made those comments before. Thank you -for acknowledging the sacrifices that we have made to European freedom - which didn't stop there - but continued throughout the cold war against the Soviet Union. BTW - I wouldn't describe Fenir or Radagast as being neo-nazi - so it's not just them that don't seem grateful to the sacrifices Americans made.
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So its good to see that 'we' are not the only ones who make blanket statments about other nations. You crap on and on about how "America" did not torture those Iraqis, just Americans, then perhaps some Europeans, not Europe, do not agree with your spin on things? May I remind you again, my naive American, that Europe is not one people, nor one nation, but several, so you cannot say that "Europe" was un-grateful. Perhaps you have no idea what you are talking about? Oh perhaps?
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I, or more accuratley my grandparents, may wish to drop to their knees in gratitude for US involvement in the world wars, but I do not. And before you say that I should be forever grateful for my skin, and wrap my childrens puppies in the US flag, may I remind you that you currently 'disdain' the french, for their non envolement in Iraq. Tell me, was the Statue of Liberty quarried in New Jersey? You seemed to have liked the French once. Perhaps, they have done something RECENTLY, that you dont like? Do you catch my point?
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However, our gratitude for the outcome on D-Day does not mean we must agree with the actions that the USA is taking today. 60 years ago there was a different Europe and a different America. In my most honest opinion we can be perfectly grateful for the aid we received in the Second World War and still be free to criticise the actions America -or any other country that took part in the liberation. Quote:
Have you per chance had the opportunity to witness the international remembrance celebration on the French beach today? If you have I don't think you could truly think that Europe is ungrateful for D-Day.
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Just as a matter of interest ... is there anything, JD, for which the US are grateful to Europe (whatever that is)? Or the Brits? Or even ... shock, gasp ... the English?
Or are we getting too far off topic now? And a PS .... wouldn't it be better for us to say - we owe that generation so much? I REALLY dislike this wrangling over Europe and USAmerica, and especially today of all days. Last edited by Hemel : 06-06-2004 at 12:33 PM. |
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Eärniel - Yes I saw the Beach celebrations - they go on EVETY year. As soon as the day is over - French news goes back to the same arrogant and condesending attitude they have toward Americans and America. It would be nice to be TREATED as a friend and ally - instead of the view as "fat, lazy and ignorant" - when we aren't. Actually Fenir - I have had a problem with most French people have met - not all - but in general most of them. As for there uninvolvement in Iraq - it was more than them just not supporting us - it was them lying to Powell and then going out their way to turn countries against us. As for the Statue of Liberty - it wasn't quarried in France either - since it's not made of stone. As QAL said - it was a GIFT - which was not inititally for us - but was going to go to Egypt. Egypt decided they didn't want it - so it was decided to make it for America. We had to pay for a lot of it too - it wasn't exactly free. Is there anyone in the class that can tell little Fenir what the Statue of Liberty is made of? See fenir - I can be just as condescending as you. I just don't like stooping to that level. It's way too cheap and doesn't add anything to the conversation.
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The EU is currently working toward the same thing - and is close to developing the same thing that is the United States - a group of sovereign entities, under a federal government to handle defense, trade, ect. Might I remind you even up to the Civil War and beyond - it was the states that supplied the troop and were known as the New Jersey or New York regiments, etc.
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