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![]() In fact, that's almost this writer's whole problem. He doesn't allow that Tolkien (or indeed JK Rowling) may in fact have known rather better than him what they were doing, and what the effects might be, and not deliberately leading people to Satan. ![]()
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Dec 2000
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I think it is fair for Christians to condemn, to other Christians, material that is occultic in nature. You can't simply dump all material out there into one bin and say that we don't have the right to judge. Some of it plainly is wrong, but if you're going to make judgements, it is good to pray for discernment and to be careful. I think that author is just down on fantasy.
And I also think that you can determine who is a Christian by their fruit; if Christ is working in a person's life and you know how to look for it, you will see it. On the other hand, if the person isn't behaving in their outward actions as if the inward change has taken place, then that can be seen too, sometimes. |
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Chieftain of The Order of The Blue Flame
Join Date: Sep 2002
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religeous fanatics
I hate religeous fanatics theyre so damn ....... RELIGEOUS!!!..... they think theyre in touch with god....... WAKE AND SMELL THE SEAWEED PEOPLE ITS ALL BLOODY RUBBISH!!!! i dont mind religeon itself but you shouldnt devote your whole life in being like a hippy!! if you want to devote your life to religeon become a monk for gods sake!!!!! If you want to do something do it the proper way!!!
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If you saw fire fall down from heaven, or saw the Red Sea parted, or heard a voice from no human being, but from heaven, would you believe?
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Join Date: May 2001
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![]() Though I believe that the author has the right to say what he wants to say about such subjects, I think its just silly and shows an inability to comprehend the reading material. Tolkien's works, I find are suffused with brilliant moral statements, while at the same time telling are moving and brilliant story.
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Hobbit
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Texas
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But I do agree with your last statement about doing something in the proper way. Why should I become a monk? I think I'll be content with being an English Baptist, not from England mind you, but an English Baptist nonetheless. And if you're ever in the Pelennor Fields of east Texas, drop in and we'll discuss this religious fanaticism over a good cigar. What do you say? |
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Hobbit
Join Date: Oct 2002
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![]() Thank goodness not all religious people are like that! I'm Christian and I absolutely LOVE the Lord of the Rings. Don't worry - I'm not possessed by the devil!
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Elven Warrior
Join Date: Mar 2002
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Welcome TolkienGurl! Glad to see you on the Moot!
Anyway, the way I think, this is not some satanic thing. If you actually look, there is a (sorta) major Evil figure (eg Melkor, Sauron etc) and the fight agains it and isn't that the idea? I mean, you can't be worshipping something if you're kicking it, can you? I just don't get some people... And I'm Christian, too...*shakes head and walks off muttering* Lanelf.
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Join Date: Aug 2002
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Well- it never occused it of being satanic did it? Just, being involved with the occult... which some pagans would consider themself a part of... and most pagans and stuff in the occult consider themselves the "good" using "good" magic against the "bad" and "evil"... correct me if i am wrong. I have talked to a pagan online before concerning religion and it seemed to me that they are very much as good and peaceful as christians, and that they believe in keeping the environment and harmony and stuff.
But the difference- they worship something other than the Christian God- they worship a God who can take on different forms. So i suppose to point isn't whether they're "good" or "bad" -the point is, they don't worship the christian God. So they are "good" fighting against "evil" using magic and worship other than the christian god. It is much the same way in Middle-Earth, right? Any thing with magic can be taken wrongly and be a bad influence on some people. |
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Hobbit
Join Date: Oct 2002
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![]() Thanks, Lanelf! It's nice to meet all of you!
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Hobbit
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: BC, Canada
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It's the language...
Tolkien is about story. People respond instantly to buzzwords "wizard" "magic" "evil" "spell" and "fantasy," but the language, the actual words out of context will not determine the "good" or "bad" of the book...it's whole story together that gives you the morality, ideas, and worldview that is being presented.
I'm sure most of you knew that, but I wanted to establish my grounds first :-). the main thing about websites like this one is that by claiming to be a Christian, this person is subscribing to Christ's calling to the church...Jesus' one commandment was to "love your neighbor as yourself, and love one another as I have loved you." Christ's love was sacrificial, an atoning for judgement, and, in fact, the complete opposite of the judgemental actions and words that this person was displaying under the name of Christian. As was pointed out earlier, no "outsider," although I'm not sure I like that word, can know anyone else's heart, but when actions and words are not reflecting the standard they claim, the person deserves to be held accountable to the same standard they claim allegiance to. If a soldier goes AWOL, the army has the right to judge him according to his commitments. don't be afraid to hold people accountable to their own critical standard, but don't strike back at them in the same way that was so offensive to you. um...okay I think I'm done. sorry for the length.
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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This is off topic, anyway ![]() And if I'm off topic: by the way, englishnerd, are you english? Where are you from?
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
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I'm 99.9% sure that the author is Protestant, mainly because of his articles concerning the positive results of the Protestant Reformation.
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man,its a free country.people have a right to be stupid.
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