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12-28-2005, 08:03 PM | #123 |
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eh, I'm not in the mood to address these posts now - just got back from a lovely tea. I'd sum it up by repeating that by no means are the minority being FORCED to become Christians by government establishment, and that IMO the minorities that are objecting to manger scenes on public property are being selfish bullies who need to get a real life and learn what REAL hurt is about, and they're taking unfair, selfish advantage of the majority's kindness and tolerance by imposing THEIR will on the majority in a forceful, aggressive manner.
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01-02-2006, 12:12 AM | #124 |
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one quick question - why does the nice mission on LA County's state seal not have a cross
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01-03-2006, 10:29 AM | #125 |
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because we are not a christian country :shrug:
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01-03-2006, 03:55 PM | #126 |
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then why call the building on the seal a mission?
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01-03-2006, 04:22 PM | #127 |
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sounds more like politics than anything else to me
see here i don't think it really matters one way or the other... most people probably had no idea what the seal looked like 'till the issue was brought up that said, it sounds as if the issue was voted on per county law, so i guess it never really became a church vs. state issue... and the ACLU suit was never realized... they may have very well lost in court, they may have won... but they are certainly allowed to try if they think it's important if it was up to me, i'd axe state seals entirely... another waste of time and money
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01-03-2006, 05:20 PM | #128 |
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The disavowal of history, BJ, fits very nicely with your sig. It is also Orwellian, as in 1984, and called newspeak.
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1984 was not about destroying either religion or nationalism... it was about destroying individuality... and for individuality to preserve, we must be able to express ourselves however we want privately (as long as no one else is harmed by it), and be able to act together in a way that puts those differences aside respectfully in 1984 one all-powerful "religion" or "nationalistic feeling" to drowned out all others... such a world would be just as oppressive whether it was the face of big brother or the face of jesus looking down on us
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01-03-2006, 09:14 PM | #130 |
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It's the stupidity of the thing that bothers me - you can't have a cross, but you can have a mission, as long as the picture of the mission doesn't show the cross that is there? What do they think the missions were primarily about, playing bingo? History denial.
Inked - whatcha bet we'll see this rewriting of history in our lifetimes - "The name 'Los Angeles' was really a misspelling - the founders intended to make it 'Los Angles', the 'los' a Spanish word and the 'angles' an English word, because of the angles of the mountains in the area, but they couldn't spell right so it got written down as 'Los Angeles'. Nasty rumors that the name translates to "The Angels" are totally untrue, and those who insist that that is the correct history of the name are now free to spread their lies in the jails that they are currently incarcerated in."
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01-04-2006, 09:29 AM | #131 |
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all i can say is let it go... it is so far down the list of important issues for either side as to be laughable
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01-04-2006, 04:56 PM | #132 |
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I guess you can only see your side, then To me (and it looks like to inked, too) the suppression of truth is an indicator of a serious disease. A California historic mission without a cross? Suppression of a plain and simple fact through fear.
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01-04-2006, 05:05 PM | #133 |
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Rian: well said and IMO also.
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01-04-2006, 05:08 PM | #134 |
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Here are two links - apparently some people agree with me and with Spock.
There's a movement starting to restore the historic city seal: http://www.savetheseal.net/ And here's some good commentary on the situation: (warning - apparently the guy is a pastor, because it says "Rev." in front of his name. Should his opinion be suppressed? Is his voice any less important?) http://www.markdroberts.com/htmfiles...ontroversy.htm
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just because a state chooses to remove a religious symbol from a public building, people jump to the conclusion that we'll be throwing christians to the lions next week all the alcu is asking is to keep our government secular, while allowing our private citizens to be as muted or as extreme in their personal beliefs as they wish to be asking the county to remove the cross is not an attack on christianity unless an individual decides to define it as one
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01-04-2006, 05:32 PM | #136 |
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Not complaining, but have you noticed that many places display Menorahs and no one complains. Then too, we haven't banned head scarfs in school either!
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I think we should ban pictures of any object that represents anything since that is a clear presentation of the materialist viewpoint.
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01-05-2006, 10:03 AM | #140 |
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Perhaps we should abolish the shibboleth of evolution as the marker of the materialist mindset?
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