LOTR Ripoff - Page 7

Indril Anarion · 03-08-2003, 09:36 PM

Harry Potter is a LOTR wannabe. It's obvious that great literary masterpeices can't be doubled. (I'm a writer, well, hope to be some day) It is a great possibility that Rowling derives the inspration for her books from tolkein's masterpiece, I mean, look at the way she writes her name: J.K. Rowling (or something like that)
doen't it resemble: J.R.R. Tolkien????

It's a conspiracy I tell you! (he he)

gimli7410 · 03-25-2003, 09:55 PM

i dont know if this has been mentioned but in the second HP book the spiders name is aragon which is pretty damn close to aragorn.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-25-2003, 09:56 PM

Aragon is older than Lord of the Rings; it was a region in Middle-Ages Spain, I think.

Ninquelote · 03-26-2003, 05:27 PM

Oy- you want to see a ripoff of Lord of The Rings? Look at The Wheel of Time!

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 05:29 PM

Or Sword of Shannara.

Ninquelote · 03-26-2003, 05:30 PM

Never heard of that...

Ech, I hate the Wheel of Time. People revere it because it puts women more in the story. Well, damn them, I say, and as a woman I think that history is history and if you want to write about something close to the middle-ages, women shouldn't have a big role in the story!

Realistic fantasy!

I mean, it's not that small anyway, look at Eowyn!

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 05:33 PM

Sword of Shannara was the first of the Shannara books written. They are very good books, and quite original (Except that the first one has very many plot similarities to LOTR).

Ninquelote · 03-26-2003, 05:34 PM

Heh, I'd rather reread Lord of The Rings than read some other fantasy...

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 05:37 PM

Hmm, very good point...

Either re-read LOTR, or write your own.

But I still like an occasional change.

Ninquelote · 03-26-2003, 05:38 PM

I'm doing both. Rereading LoTR and writing my own fantasy. However it's come to a grinding halt at the third chapter.

CHANGE IS BAD.

Radagast The Brown · 03-27-2003, 03:53 PM

I rather to try new books. But until now, none of them was better then LOTR. It's just better to read new books then read the same book all the time, even if it's a very good one.

Ninquelote · 03-30-2003, 06:22 PM

I don't like to read obscure fantasy. I'd rather read something great and wonderful with a large community rather than accidentally pick up something horrible where two people like it and hate me for not liking it.

I think my logic is askew again...

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-30-2003, 06:39 PM

There's plenty of mainstream fantasy with huge followings. Eddings, Brooks, Lewis..and of course the DND fanfics.

gandalfstormcrow · 03-30-2003, 07:35 PM

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Influence, even imitation, isn't rightly called stealing. There are many fantasy authors who lift ideas, even creatures, out of each other's books. The point of good writing isn't to make up your own outlandish creatures. The point is to write well about them.

Exactly!

Radagast The Brown · 03-31-2003, 03:59 PM

I agree with GW, there are many good other books besides Tolkien. Many good other books.

Ninquelote · 04-04-2003, 05:50 PM

Yes, but Tolkien tops 'em all. And I'd rather not get into something else, I might get hooked and forget about Tolkien altogether!

Bombadillo · 04-04-2003, 08:46 PM

Well we all know that Tolkien was one of the first fantasy writers, and undisputredly the best. So of course almost all other fantasy writer will use him as a role model. In other words I like to say, Tolkien is the fantasy god.
I don't think that anybody really copied his ideas the way most people think (not Wheel of Time). But there is this one ridiculous anime with the true exactly exact same story line, and a dwarf named Gim.

Radagast The Brown · 04-05-2003, 03:28 PM

Quote:

originally posted by Ninquelote
Yes, but Tolkien tops 'em all. And I'd rather not get into something else, I might get hooked and forget about Tolkien altogether!

After reading LOTR 50 times I'm sure you would rather reading an other book.

Fingolfinrox · 04-09-2003, 08:43 AM

No books will ever equal LOTR and the Sil, because Tolkien worked on them all his life, and anything written in a year or two won't be a tenth as good.

gandalfstormcrow · 04-12-2003, 07:16 PM

In HP, Dumbledore is one of the teacher's names and it's what bees are called in ME.

03-08-2003, 09:36 PM	#121
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03-25-2003, 09:55 PM	#122
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i dont know if this has been mentioned but in the second HP book the spiders name is aragon which is pretty damn close to aragorn. __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

03-25-2003, 09:56 PM	#123
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Aragon is older than Lord of the Rings; it was a region in Middle-Ages Spain, I think. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 05:27 PM	#124
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	Oy- you want to see a ripoff of Lord of The Rings? Look at The Wheel of Time! __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

03-26-2003, 05:29 PM	#125
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Or Sword of Shannara. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 05:30 PM	#126
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	Never heard of that... Ech, I hate the Wheel of Time. People revere it because it puts women more in the story. Well, damn them, I say, and as a woman I think that history is history and if you want to write about something close to the middle-ages, women shouldn't have a big role in the story! Realistic fantasy! I mean, it's not that small anyway, look at Eowyn! __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

03-26-2003, 05:33 PM	#127
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Sword of Shannara was the first of the Shannara books written. They are very good books, and quite original (Except that the first one has very many plot similarities to LOTR). __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 05:34 PM	#128
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	Heh, I'd rather reread Lord of The Rings than read some other fantasy... __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

03-26-2003, 05:37 PM	#129
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Hmm, very good point... Either re-read LOTR, or write your own. But I still like an occasional change. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 05:38 PM	#130
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	I'm doing both. Rereading LoTR and writing my own fantasy. However it's come to a grinding halt at the third chapter. CHANGE IS BAD. __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

03-27-2003, 03:53 PM	#131
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I rather to try new books. But until now, none of them was better then LOTR. It's just better to read new books then read the same book all the time, even if it's a very good one. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-30-2003, 06:22 PM	#132
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	I don't like to read obscure fantasy. I'd rather read something great and wonderful with a large community rather than accidentally pick up something horrible where two people like it and hate me for not liking it. I think my logic is askew again... __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

03-30-2003, 06:39 PM	#133
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	There's plenty of mainstream fantasy with huge followings. Eddings, Brooks, Lewis..and of course the DND fanfics. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-31-2003, 03:59 PM	#135
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I agree with GW, there are many good other books besides Tolkien. Many good other books. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

04-04-2003, 05:50 PM	#136
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	Yes, but Tolkien tops 'em all. And I'd rather not get into something else, I might get hooked and forget about Tolkien altogether! __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

04-04-2003, 08:46 PM	#137
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	Well we all know that Tolkien was one of the first fantasy writers, and undisputredly the best. So of course almost all other fantasy writer will use him as a role model. In other words I like to say, Tolkien is the fantasy god. I don't think that anybody really copied his ideas the way most people think (not Wheel of Time). But there is this one ridiculous anime with the true exactly exact same story line, and a dwarf named Gim. __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

04-09-2003, 08:43 AM	#139
Fingolfinrox Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Virginia, USA Posts: 11	No books will ever equal LOTR and the Sil, because Tolkien worked on them all his life, and anything written in a year or two won't be a tenth as good. __________________ "And Morgoth came." - The Silmarilion "To pursue the unattainable is insanity, yet the thoughtless can never refrain from doing so." - To Himself, by Marcus Aurelius.

04-12-2003, 07:16 PM	#140
gandalfstormcrow Enting Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ridding Middle Earth of Sauron before bedtime. Posts: 58	In HP, Dumbledore is one of the teacher's names and it's what bees are called in ME.

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