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I am capable of looking at them as seperate entities too - but I don't even really care for them as films. Except for special effects - there isn't much left to the movies. As for completely seperating them - it's impossible - they share the SAME title. Jackson had a RESPONSIBILITY to live up to Tolkien if he wanted to use Lord of the Rings as the title. Quote:
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I didn't use many as a synonym for major. I was saying that he made many mistakes - which were not just minor. You can have many minor mistakes - that add up to be major. There are probably only about 10 or so major mistakes in the films - the rest are many minor mistakes that add up to major mistakes.
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Well you know - it was supposed to be Lord of the Rings - and it fell far far short of what the movies should have been and COULD have been and I'm not willing to just let jackson get a freeride and be forgiven and let him spew out his excuses and just accept them.
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To make this discussion flow more smoothly, I recomend avoiding personal comments about other posters, because it's easy to get side-tracked from the topic.
I enjoyed watching RotK EG, but I don't feel it was successful as an adaptation. As a movie, it was good, but there is a difference. Jackson is not making a stand-alone movie. Which changes did you feel were sucessful?
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The problem I have is the characterizations and the jumpiness of the plot and some major changes to major parts of the plot - which were unnecessary to bring the books to screen - I also thought the Dwarf tossing jokes, the farting and burping, the implication that pipe weed was pot.
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Hmm. . .
Moving the reforging of Narsil to Return of the King I thought worked. It accentuates the change from Aragorn, Ranger of the North, to Ellesar, King of Gondor. As an example. I'll think on it. . .there's more, but I need to see it again, methinks. Or have time. Whatever.
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With regard to the Saruman and Eowyn/Faramir plotlines, I wonder if these may have been different if Jackson had decided to release the movies after all three had been cut and finished. That's the problem when releasing one part of something that is a work in progress -- you can't change the earlier parts. It seems to me that if Jackson had stuck closer to the books, these problems wouldn't have occured.
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I didn't like Sam leaving Frodo at all, but I suspect you didn't either. Sean Astin was so excellent as Sam, despite that scene. Why Sam didn't keep the lembas when he found it? Maybe they actually changed the scene to show how tough Sam was - in the end, he climed the stairs three times! That's dedication. (Just kidding, I'm sure that wasn't why.)
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Also - a good director woudl cut the eye candy - not the meat of the movie to make it fit in the allotted time. he seems to have done the opposite. Increase the battle scenes - in exchange for plot development, conclusions and characterization.
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If he wasn't going to fully include the story behind bill the pony - don't throw some small ridiculous bone to the Lord of the Rings fans so they can oooh and ahhh at Bill the Pony. There was no need to even have that scene really. There was never any affection between Bill and Sam shown before and the time like that could have been used for the Gift Giving scene, which overall was a much more important scene to the overall story.
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Oh dear. Now I'm feeling all negative about the movies. I feel disillusioned. Alas. Oh well, I can still enjoy the eye-candy. *dreams of the Rohirrim charge* sooo pretty. . .*drool*
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