04-29-2003, 11:56 AM | #121 | |
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04-29-2003, 05:21 PM | #122 |
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I think it's Gandalf. Without him, so many of the accomplishments of the fellowship would have been impossible. True it was Frodo who literally destroyed the Ring, but any one of them could have done that. If you weigh out all the things each character did (which I won't do here, don't worry), Gandalf proves to be the most important.
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04-29-2003, 06:02 PM | #123 |
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Any one of them could not have done that. It took a great will to resist the corruption of the Ring to the very brink of the Crack of Doom.
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04-29-2003, 09:20 PM | #124 |
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Frodo is definently the hero. Obviously his list of accomplishments(getting the Ring to Mount Doom) looks shabbier than Gandalf(defeating a Balrog, saving Rohan at Helm's Deep, breaking Saruman's staff, etc.) it still must be realized that if Frodo had not gotten the ring to Mount Doom, nothing that Gandalf or any other character in LotR could have stopped the domination of Sauron.
And it is also likely that Frodo alone of all of the suggested heroes of LotR could have gotten to Mt. Doom. Gandalf, Galadriel, and Aragorn refused it because they knew that they could not bear it themselves. Sam likely would have been corrupted(remember in Cirith Ungol he puts the ring on arbitrarily and thinks about challenging Sauron, things Frodo never did). I'd say Frodo is the true hero. |
04-29-2003, 09:50 PM | #125 |
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gollum,frodo,sam,gandalf,and aragorn
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05-12-2003, 07:49 PM | #126 |
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What does hero mean?
A hero is one person who overcame all and single-handedly took their men to victory. I think that all of the characters each did their part to help the other live so they could, together, save the side of good.
Personally though I give much respect to Sam because he did not have a lot of experiance in combat or sneaking around an enemy lair and to remain calm and follow through with your plan must take a lot of courage....so Sam...I salute you!!!
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05-13-2003, 09:07 AM | #127 |
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Sam was the driving force behind Frodo's individual success just as Gandalf was the driving force behind the armies of Middle Earth's success IMO.
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05-13-2003, 10:53 AM | #129 |
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I think the temptation would have been greater for Gandalf. Even he said that he would not take it becaue the temptation would be too great and the consequences too serious.
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True, so he played it safe, but IMO he could have overcome its power if he decided to carry it. Although it probably would have tried harder if you get me.
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Actually, if I remember correctly Tolkien went into a bit of detail on what would have happened if Gandalf had gotten the Ring, and he didn't overcome it. Remember, the Ring was bound to the Will of Sauron, who was a Maia, just as Gandalf was, but I believe Tolkien said he was of far higher order.
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And the real hero is....
Hama! or Manwe since he sent Mithrandir
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i think he killed only as a reaction to something. never for the sake of just killing. never in a human kinda way where he would seek out others to interact with and have conflicts with. his first focus was being alone. and then if something threatened him or got in his way or seemed a danger to him then killing it became a very real option. as it would in any animal.... and if having fish served to him three times a day is considered the height of greed then we should all be more like gollum my precious.
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and if having fish served to him three times a day is considered the height of greed then we should all be more like gollum my precious. [/QUOTE] Ooh, that's a great comment! |
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in a way, there is no main hero. they all seem to have done something important in their own way.
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Also, don't forget that he hated all Baggins because of Bilbo. Is this what you admire, despisal of a group, because of an individual? Regarding greed: it's all relative. It's not something so simplistic as "be like Gollum, he only wanted fish." Gollum's greed was merely different from ours.
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