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02-22-2005, 10:27 PM | #121 | |
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02-22-2005, 10:31 PM | #122 | |
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I'm not commenting on the rest of it, JD. Whatever it looks like, I really don't like to fight with you.
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02-22-2005, 10:42 PM | #125 | |
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My grandfather grew up on a reservation. He doesn't hate this country, or anything. He just thinks some things (especially the military) could be more efficient. And I agree with him.
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USAmerican... I don't mind it, but it looks kind of ugly... You still haven't passed judgement on "Erykian", by the way. I kind of like it, myself.
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02-22-2005, 11:07 PM | #126 | ||
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02-22-2005, 11:12 PM | #127 | |
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BTW, I'm sure you've mentioned it a thousand times, but I'm just lazy. Why do you hate the term "USAmerican"?
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02-22-2005, 11:23 PM | #128 | |
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The other reason why I hate it - was about 10 years ago these liberal university professor types were trying to get the word american erased out of text books (along with founding fathers, indians and other words). No one is confused by the name America or American - they know exactly who they are talking about. When on the news they report that the american flag was being burned in a demonstration - no one is thinking "my god they're burning the canadian flag" If people have respect for others - they will respect our proper name - which is American and not take it upon themselves to try to change something that doesn't need to be chnaged - nor is it any of their business to try changing.
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02-22-2005, 11:28 PM | #129 |
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Your arguments certainly make sense. I, of course, have big issues with "political correctness" in general.
Another question, JD, and this is just my lack of good history teachers in high school shining through: How old are the terms "North America" and "South America"? Do you know if they were in use before the Revolution, or are they something that came about after?
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02-22-2005, 11:42 PM | #130 | |
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02-22-2005, 11:59 PM | #131 | |
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It has nothing to do with you being in or out of the loop. It has to do with moderating issues that I am making an effort to resolve to the satisfaction of everyone concerned with this, namely JD, Hemel, Rian, and myself. Is that okay with you?
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02-23-2005, 01:08 AM | #132 |
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Re: the terms North America and South America - they're pretty old (in fact, on the original map that has "America" on it, it only refers to, ironically, South America. North America has a different name, which I can't recall right now). The terminology dates, I think, from just about when people figured out that there were basically two (barely) connected landmasses there, but were already used to calling all of the territory out West "America."
I'm pretty sure it predates the USA. ON topic: I am glad to live in a country where I can mingle with people of whatever race and creed I want.
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02-23-2005, 01:43 AM | #133 | |
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02-23-2005, 01:48 AM | #134 | |
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02-23-2005, 02:10 AM | #135 | |
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Well I don't know of any nationality called USAmericans either, so I guess we just make up names of what we wish to call people - and I chose Euro-whiner. You mean people have a problem with it. I have friends who are Euro-whiners - believe me when I say I mean in it in the utmost respect possible. I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Ask Jonathan - I always call him a Euro-whiner as well as many other of my european friends and they dosn't care so I don't see why anyone else should.
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02-23-2005, 02:13 AM | #136 | |
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You and others are also ignorant of the whole concept of the thread - but it really doesn't surprise me. As I said - since everyone thinks it's ironic that hemel was censored on using USAmerican and they feel she should be allowed to say it - then I should be allowed to use the term Euro-whiner, along with kraut and many other names (see in the US I am free to say those names if i wish and since I live in the America - under the Constitution of the United States - 1st Amendment thank you - I feel I should be able to now since everyone wants to bitch that hemel should be allowed to use USAmerican and that if she isn't - then her freedoms are being infringed upon). I see nothing wrong with saying Euro-whiner - it doesn't bother me and if you stop me while saying that Hemel's USAmerican crap is no big deal - then you are infringing on my freedoms of - how did someone put - oh yes - "freedom of expression" .
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02-23-2005, 02:24 AM | #137 |
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Since the topic has turn into another let's talk about the lack of freedom and the trash on america - I think we shold crap all over the rest of the world now - so what about the lack of freedom in that german state. They can't even buy Mein Kampf, books are banned, political parties are banned. In the EU state Britain they have spy cameras and no one thinks anything about it. In France - a supposed free state of the EU - they have outlawed muslims from wearing headscarves in public buildings. That means - hospitals, courtrooms, schools, any public building. They can't even request a woman doctor in France. So much for freedom there. Oh and in that British State - as LCoU said - they can actually arrest you for something you say - racial, or religious slur, so so much for free speech and free expression there.
BTW - we've been through USAmerican before - and she knows I can't stand it - yet she even had the nerve to actually use it for no reason in this thread. She can use American if she has as much respect for Americans as she claims. She can curse out americans and everything else - use USAmerican in her own state - but does that mean she should be allowed to do it on an AMERICAN board? There are a bunch of EU boards out there she can go to. She can gon and on about how arrogant Americans - oh excuse me - she would say "USAmericans" are. I don't really care. I find it arrogant that she continues to use it when no one calls us that assinine term. We are and have always been called "Americans". So much for a simple ass question - "What makes you thankful to live in a free country?" Few seem to be able to answer that - most seem to just want to bitch about how there basically is no freedom and how basically no one is happy of where they live. You guys seem to be a very miserable lot, I hope someday you find happiness in where you live, because hell - if you can't be happy in the freest countries in the world - then you aren't going to be happy anywhere. One of the things I think that gets to you guys is that you want to define your freedom in your terms, and don't like to accept when people define freedom different than yours. You don't mind banning things you disagree with - such as guns, or fox hunting or right winfg political groups. That's all understandable - but hell they better not ban the solialist party or the communist party. Anyway - people can't have freedom as long as you are so mindless that you are easily controlled by your peers. That to you is a lack of freedom - when in actually - it's merely trying to fit in with a crowd. Which in my mind is shallow. NO one is forcing you to wear certain clothes, have a certain haircut, get a tattoo or body piercing. True friends will stand by you no matter what. So who the hell are you trying to impress? Someone who the moment you dress wrong or have the nerve to talk to someone outside your little circle of friends - will be talking about you behind your back? Freedom isn't always given - sometimes it's earned and if you are a slave to your peers - that's no one elses fault but your own.
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02-23-2005, 03:18 AM | #138 |
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This is off-topic, but I would like to commend SGH for sticking with this situation and trying to resolve it, instead of throwing up her hands, saying we can all go to a place that doesn't exist according to many people's beliefs , and not moderating anymore.
I may disagree with her sometimes (certainly not very often - I think she is an excellent admin), but I certainly commend her for bearing the vast, vast majority of moderating responsibilities (unpaid), and doing a great job. Let's remember that no one is perfect, and she does a darn good job, and that if any of us became a moderator, we'd make mistakes sometimes, too. This is a good community - let's all give up a little ground for the benefit of the greater good of the community.
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Hmm - when I go to websters online and I look up USAmerican - it says no such term is found (I wonder why - since I'm now told by so many people that it's used for my nationality). It then asks - "did you mean American? Which seems to be the exact question I'm asking. Quote:
After they change our nationality's name - what will be next they'll be bitching about and wanting to change for us?
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02-23-2005, 04:50 AM | #140 | |
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I don't think it's Hemel who has a problem with not liking other people's definitions of freedom. |
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