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Hey mark: you discovered the advantages of being in the cult, I see. Good ol' sand trout.
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05-18-2004, 02:21 AM | #122 | ||
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Oh, man! Why did you have to go and reveal that!
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05-18-2004, 02:52 AM | #123 |
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Hey, I didn't say what happens. chill. Besides which, it's mentioned all the way through the book - by leto himself.
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05-24-2004, 05:37 AM | #124 | ||
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Siona... what a heartless, cold, stubborn, pretentious, horrible old cow!
And Duncan Idaho was hardly any better.
I'm so angry!
*take's deep breaths*
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06-05-2004, 10:27 AM | #125 | ||
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I like Heretics so far. It's like cycling back to the contentious days of Dune but on a larger scale. Historical cyles of expansion through periods of competition, control, dispersion, (repeat).... Heretics:
So, is melange God poop?
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06-06-2004, 05:13 AM | #126 | ||
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06-12-2004, 03:27 AM | #127 |
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Well, I just finished Dune. I don't really have anything to add other than "me likey!" But if anyone can give me some spoiler-free opinions about the next books in the series (basically what you thought of it in comparison to Dune) it'd be appreciated.
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06-12-2004, 03:39 AM | #128 |
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My harem grows ever bigger.
edit: Oh, and as a completely impartial bystander(), yes, read them all. They get better and better.
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06-19-2004, 02:42 PM | #129 |
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I resurrected this thread so I could see what people liked/disliked about Dune.
I finished it, and the quick one-sentence review is that it's interesting, imaginative, a page-turner at points, but there's no heart in it I tried and tried to really like it, because I like BoP (whose sig inspired me to read it), but I just didn't connect. I'll post more next week - weekends are notoriously bad for me to Moot - and I'll read some more posts here.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Just finished Chapterhouse. The ending just left me wanting for more. The epilog caught me by surprise. I think Heretics was my favorite... just couldn't put it down. I found Chapterhouse a bit of a slow starter but just enough mystery to get through to the ending. The commentary about governments and democracy were pretty funny.
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06-19-2004, 08:50 PM | #131 |
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i loved the dune book especially the first three
i heard that herbert planned to write a sequel were an unsen evil came from the borders of the galaxy and that the project may me resurected by his son
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Rian, don't worry, I won't take it personally that it didn't grab you. I'm interested in hearing why, though.
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06-20-2004, 12:05 AM | #135 |
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i heard somewhere that the 7th book envolves some evil that pursued the honored matres out of their homes after the scattering and that the beneg and the honored matres need to join forcees to save the day
but yours is good too
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Maybe you meant American Christians. <ducks>
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I loved the layout of Heretics with time compressing as the plot lines multiply until the passage of the last day takes quite a few chapters. The only complaint I had was that it seemed that he decideed it had gotten long enough and wrapped up the story too quickly. Ah weel, leave them wanting more. PS I just like to tease Ri. Although I can see where Herbert is kind of hard on the concept of religion. But he's pretty evenly cruel to all aggregations of power.
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I'll put up some details prob. tomorrow, BoP - hoping for a bit of Moot time.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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OK, let me try to express my thoughts about Dune, since you wanted to hear, BoP. It might take a few go's to get across what I mean, so be patient and ask me if it doesn't make sense.
What I meant by "no heart" is the biggest flaw in the book, IMO. It's the whole feeling I get that people are almost ... consumed, in a sense. They're only good for whatever they can give someone, then when they're used up, they're tossed aside like an empty can. It's almost ... ogre-ish, if you know what I mean. Mentats are good - why? - because they're super-intelligent. If someone can be BG-trained so they're useful for the BG goals, then great - if it ruins their life, so what? Our goals are furthered. Would telling someone something hurt their heart? Well, go ahead and tell them, if it furthers your own goal. Would marrying Jessica or Chani be an act of self-sacrificing love that might ruin my future alliances and chances at the throne? Yes - so don't marry them. Instead, marry the emperor's daughter, in the full knowledge that you'll never love her or even try to love her; so what if HER life is ruined. After all, gotta go for my goal! The whole still-suit thing made me kinda gag, too! (every time it was mentioned, it made me realize how much I swallow my own saliva, and it somehow tasted bad! ) But I think it's kind of an analogy, intentional or not, of the whole book - me, me, me; use, use, use. Altho I fully understand the importance of it in an environment like that, and am sure it was a technological marvel. The few glimpses of non-goal-oriented choices were like a breath of fresh air. I'm sure that's why so many people liked Duncan Idaho. I also liked Leto - better than his son, Paul.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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