03-25-2002, 04:59 PM | #121 |
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I've got another question since you all evaded my other ones. Okay, so a rat evolves into a bat. Wouldn't there be a time where the rat/bat's wings were not developed enough to fly well, and where it's legs were batlike enough to not run well? Then it would not be the fittest and would not survive. Right?
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Definition of faith (Wester's Encyclipedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language)
Faith 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing. 2. belief that is not based on proof It comes right after fait accompli and faithcure
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Now, an organism will only select for, or evolve into something if it increases their fitness, or chances of survival. Therefore, your proverbial rat will not evolve to develope stumpy wings, unless it gives it an advantage over the other rat species. Remember, natural selection is just one part of the equation. There is also sexual selection, in that all the female rats would look at stumpy winged rat, and decide, either A) his stumpy winged genotype will aid my offspring in lasting longer, or B) There is no way in heck that stumpy winged rats are going to survive, so I'm not going to mate with him.
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BeardofPants, the evading question thing was kind of a joke. (Hence the smiley-face ) So I didn't lie. And on the rat with the stumpy wings, if it wouldn't give him an advantage and another rat wouldn't mate with him, he would die. Therefore, his wings would never completely develope so he would never become a bat. I still don't get how evolution would work like this.
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Last I checked 90% of people in the world beleive in some higher power or powers so I wouldn't say atheism is "held by the masses". Sorry if you missed my point. Religion is not a science. Science is not a religion. As for order, your commentary was pointless. Case in point: Molten SiO2 is a disordered liquid. If cooled rapidly it will form glass, an amorphous solid. If cooled very slowly it will form symetric quartz crystals. All of this is very orderly based on the geometric and thermal properties. Yet the quartz will "twin" as well as create an indeterminant number of crystals. Order exists molded by random and chaotic events. Does god manage the placement of every quartz atom in the crystals or are the atoms different from one another; trained by god to behave differently at a particular moment in time? If the order is managed by god what possible mechanism would you propose to transmit all this information throughout the universe from a central conscience being billions of light years away? The fundementalist belief that the bible is the word of god verbatim is utter nonsense. Creationism isn't a defense of Theism as much as it is a way to defend the narrow interpretation of the bible by a very small sect of fanatical fundamentalists. Most conflicts in the world are occuring because of disagreements among different theistic groups of fundamentalist who must kill those that disagree to protect their interpretation. Catholics and Protestants, Jews and Muslims, Othodox Serbs vs Muslims decended from Turks, Shiites vs Sunni. Won't it have been great if god had just written one book for us so we could all get along? The earth is billions of years old. get use to it. This fact has nothing to do with god. The bible is wrong on this point. It was written by men during a time when there was little understanding of the universe and it reflects their ignorance on the issue of the creation of the world. People have found strength from their faith; good. This has nothing to do with science.
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"The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence. Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface. The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia. While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age. The most direct means for calculating the Earth's age is a Pb/Pb isochron age, derived from samples of the Earth and meteorites. This involves measurement of three isotopes of lead (Pb-206, Pb-207, and either Pb-208 or Pb-204). A plot is constructed of Pb-206/Pb-204 versus Pb-207/Pb-204." From here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-...th.html#howold
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I go to Nampa Christian. It is a Christian school. (As you probably guessed from the name. ) My science teacher just started teaching at our school and can finally teach what he believes. (He used to teach at a public school.) I guess if I really wanted to prove my faith, I should have paid more attention... oh well. No one would have believed me anyway.
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Everyone should read the creationists vs. evolutionists thread in the archives before continuing this debate, since it's probably all been covered in that respect.
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The bible may be the word of God, but it was written by man, who has, on occasion, been known to be fallible.
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