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Just wanted to insert something I read yesterday, apparently a true story, though told second hand: an anthropologist in Alaska was talking to a shaman there, who let the anthropologist go on and on about systems of worship and the like, and finally got fed up and said: "Look, you worship. We fear."
Interesting. Do more primitive religions act primarily out of fear, while the members of four of the five great religions currently (the fifth -- I'm serious -- being irreligion) are advanced beyond fear into worship or another form of intellectual activity?
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03-12-2003, 04:16 PM | #124 |
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I suppose it depends on your definition of 'fear'.
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What "higher authority" -like priests and whatnot - do atheists answer to, if any? Just wondering.
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Of course, not being atheistic, I don't know, but I think that as a whole, they are their own 'higher authority'. They tell themselves what is right and what is wrong.
Though I would expect it to vary from atheist to atheist.
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In America they even have a president: http://www.atheists.org/welcome.html. And a board of directors. In many ways they organize just like any other religion. Although their approach tends to be more corporate design then religious heirarchy and theres no reason to actually listen to anyone who calls themself an atheist authority.
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One would be the personification of Nature, ranging from Sun and Earth Gods/Godesses to individual trees, springs etc. That would make it easy to conflate beliefs - "The King of the Gods is called Marduk" "Oh, we call him Zeus. I'll tell you a story about him, and you tell me one of yours." Or, conflict- "We beat you, so our god is more powerful than yours." Another process is euhemerisation- attributing the origins of the gods to the memories of notable human beings This is very common in Chinese folk religion; many gods were originally historical figures. This is said to be happening with Mao Tse-tung; apparently many peasants in China have shrines to the Chairman, complete with incense and offerings. He is being sanctified as the protector of the oppressed and poor , in the face of the 'reforms' of the very corrupt modern-day Communist Party (in spite of his 'Great Leap Forward' which caused 30 million deaths by starvation.)
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That reminds me of the Catholic practice of canonizing Saints, and makes me wonder something: what is the Catholic foundation for the practice of "praying" to and canonizing Saints?
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Yes, I know that. I think I read that either 6 or 12 prayers to a dead person had to be answered before they would be canonized. But what I meant was: What is the Scriptural basis?
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Yes, I know, I've heard that. That's why I put quotes around the 'praying'.
Ok, any Catholics out there who feel like answering my question?
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Of course, I didn't think it was actually worship. I know more than that.
Thanks for your time! And now I have a question for Coney (If you don't want to answer, then don't): In what way do you worship your Gods?
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I guess I was a bit too personal. Sorry!
Okay, I have a few questions for Jews, and one for Catholics: Jews: 1. Do you believe in Kabbalah, and could you give a general overview of it? 2. Do you believe in a "golem"? 3. Do you believe that if one utters the name of God (the Ineffable Name) as spelled by the Hebrew consonants, that they have no place in the World to Come? 4. Could you give a general overview of your stance on animal sacrifice, if the Temple were rebuilt? Catholics: 1. Could you give a general overview of exorcists? Also, if you could answer my previous question I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks very much for your time! P. S. - To Wiccans: Was my original question regarding your religion too personal?
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I think Coney just forgot to check the thread.
Wiccan worship varies from individual to individual, depending on the tradition they follow, same as with Christians. There are daily devotions, small rituals with a purpose ("spells"), and then there are the Sabbats/Esbats. Those are the "holy days", and there are 8 major Sabbats: Imbolc, Ostara, Beltane, Summer Solstice, Lammas, Mabon, Samhain, and Yule. Ostara, Summer Solstice, Mabon, and Yule are the equinoxes and the more "minor" of the 8. Besides all that, Wiccans worship their gods/goddesses with their actions, much as Christians do. They follow the Wiccan Rede, which states "An' it harm none, do as ye will!" Then there's meditation, herbalism, and a million other paths one can follow. Any "real" Wiccans out there who feel like correcting me, please feel free to do so; I'm a bit hazy on all this myself.
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Thanks very much for your reply, TC.
Just for reference, my original question was: Quote:
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