03-29-2005, 06:13 PM | #1341 |
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JD wrote: "Yes - but then again. A lot of what is being argued here is not proveable - nor is it even supported historically - such as genesis. Just because there are geneaologies - doesn't make it true."
Yes. And lots of what is reported about Einstein is partaking of the same problems. It is reliability. Some of the stories about Einstein may be of such poor fit to what is known that they are described as apocryphal or legend in the common language usage of those terms. Some seem more apropos. It is in the assessment of the relliability of the data that we come to the personal encounter. If the reliability is high, then we must assess the claims made per the report. If the reliability is poor, we say we do not accept the account of the incident and therefor not the claims.
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I do think we are in a time of spiritual evolution, not just with chirstianity - but with all religions around the world.
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03-29-2005, 06:15 PM | #1343 | |
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but to expound further, i think it is the sacrificial elements of some ancient atheistic religions which can be construed by westerners as disturbing |
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You seem to have to try to show how they are no different than your belief when you are backed into a rather uncomfortable corner. The thing is - agnostocism is someone not making a claim for or against god and says that either one is possible, ahteism is saying that there is no god. I lean more atheist - because I think god is no more real than the gods of greek and rome, but god is a comfort to many people. However I am probably bit agnostic too - because there is no way to know or not know. To me it would be far more logical to be agnostic than either religious or an athiest - wouldn't you agree?
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theism is comforting to some, as it makes them believe that there is something out there, it removes justifiability, IMO, oh yeh, that car was meant to run over your cat, small child, as god said so, and go willed it to happen, but that means you are not allowed to be sad then, because it was destined to happen.
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Now down the line, if people migrate and isolate, then the gene pool would become more limited, but that doesn't mean it was originally so. In fact, our ancestors would HAVE to have a more diverse genepool than we have today, wouldn't they? We can't lose characteristics that weren't there to begin with! And how would Adam and Eve have any less genetic variability than what evolution proposes?
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Reminds me of those nightmares I have occasionally where I'm at uni and I lost my class list on the first day of classes!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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but two people = limited genepool (this is a biological given), unless they were superhumans of course and you can lose characterisitics that weren't there, a mutation occurs, characteristic wasn't there, the mutant has a normal child, charactyeristic is lost |
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IMO, the species of atheism that goes "I don't believe that God/god/gods exist" is VERY comforting in some very important ways - it removes any idea of a judgement by a holy and righteous and powerful God who cares about how we treat our fellow human beings. Whatever you can get away with here, you've gotten away with! congratulations! - NO ONE will hold you to account for your bad acts that aren't caught, least of all a God that doesn't exist. You can steal with impunity, if you're skilled enough, and there will be no consequences. You can even kill someone with impunity if you're skilled and lucky enough - no consequences! You can lie, cheat, whatever you want, as long as you can cover it up, and you've gotten away with it. IMO, that is a very comforting thought. (preemptive note - I am NOT saying atheists are immoral creeps! Far from it! IMO, many atheists are kinder people than many Christians!! My only point here is that IMO, it can be COMFORTING to believe that God/god/gods who are righteous and holy and powerful and who care how we treat others don't exist when one considers the wrong things one has done. And I certainly hope we all acknowledge that we have done wrong things!)
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BTW - I'll brb - I need to go find my daily victim and kill someone. Being as I have no way to judge right or wrong or anything and I basically feel free to do whatever I want. hey - isn't atheism great - that's the whole reason why I'm atheist.
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And since you say there are no beneficial mutations when arguing aginst evolution - I suppose for the sake of argument - we can throw that theory out.
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I repeat- why do you misrepresent me?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 03-29-2005 at 07:02 PM. |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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