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Here is what Christianity means to me. Christianity is a RELATIONSHIP. Jesus Christ is KNOWABLE today. I capitalize in order to indicate the reality of what I'm talking about, that this is not Christian lingo but real experiences. Just as meeting you over Internet is a real experience, I can hear Jesus without hearing him with my physical ears or seeing him with my physical eyes. I have known him for four years, now. I have been a Christian for nineteen (since I was born). When he revealed himself to me, it was glorious. It changed a boy who was terrified that his religion was just belief and an empty shell into someone who knew the reality. I met Jesus. I didn't see him with his naked eyes at that first meeting (I hope to see Jesus with my naked eyes very soon), but I encountered him in such a way nevertheless that I was completely convinced, and still am. That was not the only experience of meeting Jesus. It happens frequently. Sometimes it happens more strongly and in a more special way then it does at other times.
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03-29-2005, 08:38 AM | #1303 | |
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i have never read this bible you keep talking about, but it all seems jolly interesting, as far as fantasy novels go, though i much prefer the silmarillion |
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03-29-2005, 12:25 PM | #1306 |
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LCoU,
Maybe you think it fantasy, but you might want to check out the archeological and historical verifications before assigning it that category. As well what the accurate beliefs are based on rather than your perception. Just a challenge, of course!
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Which category does the Oddyssey fall under now?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 03-29-2005 at 04:08 PM. |
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Looking straight at the source material of the 4 gospels in the Bible, I certainly NEVER see Jesus speaking to ANY woman with anything but respect. And I don't see Mary M. described as a prostitute.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 03-29-2005 at 04:14 PM. |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Here is my assumption: that God designed Adam and Eve with a great deal of genetic diversity. Personally, I believe that Adam and Eve were fully human, with human DNA, and were NOT one-celled prototypes, or even multi-celled prototypes, with a "very limited" genetic make-up. Why must one assume that their genetic make-up was "very limited"? I don't see any reason to assume this, so I don't. Quote:
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And a brilliant one, IMHO! I imagine, for example, that Adam and Eve were medium brown-skinned people, because from two medium brown-skinned people, you can get everything from the whitest white to the darkest black and everything in between.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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One of the interesting observations to be drawn from your comments is that the "scholarship" of literature and deconstruction have often argued in the past for the lack of evidence for historical materials in ancient ballads and poems of the epic variety. The absence of evidence is often adduced a prood of the absence of basis. What in point was an absence of data due to a failure to investigate or to be able to investigate was taken as some proof of lack of evidence. That has been undermined by archeological advances. Certain fabled places have been discovered to have actual existence (eg, Troy). These sort of complaints have a 150 year old history in biblical criticism. It is truly fascinating to read over the "assured results of higher criticism" as touted in the early 1900s - 1950's and find that those are routed by archeology. In assessing the reliability of the literary reference as to historicity, the bulk of the evidence yields either a reliable source or an unreliable source (though some admixture of the two is possible, of course) in regard to the historical events accounted. That there was a Troy is now well established by archeology. So much for the location, eh! That in itself does not establish all the other matter contained. In regard to the biblical archeology record we have multiple historical events accounted and verified. Does that mean the events not confirmed are reliable? Not necessarily. But it does tend one towards a sense of accuracy and reliabilty. EG, Luke's usages in ACTS of titles unknown to history until their uncovering on inscriptions was frequently in the early 1900's used as proof of the un-historicity of Luke's account. Now it is reversed. Luke's recording of these titles is proof of his accuracy. So, if Luke was accurate in the little things, one might reasonably believe he was accurate in the record he made of Jesus and the Apostles and Early Church. And one might assess their claims on the fact that Luke's accuracy rendered his reports reliable. In comparing the claims made on behalf of the protagonists and antagonists, one would certainly assess the reliability of the text available, its transmission, and other pertinent factors BEFORE moving on to the issue of the specific claims made by individuals.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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It is felt that this Mary was the same who first went to Jesus and washed his feet with her tears.
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