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They are compatible....sometimes.
Most of the time "patriotism" in American churches just turns everything into civil religion.
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Bumped - to answer JD's question from the 'marriage' thread.
My answer is on post 178 on page 9 - and I had given the web address for the denominational web site, without actually posting a link.
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http://www.nazarene.org/ I don't know why you didn't post a link though... it's totally relevant, and we're allowed.
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In my opinion, the book of Revelation contains just as much astounding accuracy as Genesis does (though Genesis alone is awesome). It describes with amazing accuracy things that are possible today without miracles, even though at the time they were described, there was no way they could have known these things could happen by any means aside from the miraculous. It describes large scale chemical and nuclear warfare with appalling detail. There also is a scripture that in my opinion matches the modern ozone hole. The level of detail and accuracy available in Revelation is up to date now with modern technology, and more reliable then the highly fanciful End Times predictions available from other sources. Quote:
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As for the continents and so forth and genesis - I suppose you will tell me next that the Tower of Babel is the truth and that's why we have different languages. it has nothign to do with the fact that they couldn't understand why people didn't speak the same so they came up with a cute little sorty for something they had no understanding of. Might it have just been that as peopel moved away from each other - languages evolved and changed? Which is actually what happened. English is a combination of languages and even old English you would need to translate - because language itself has evolved. The Tower of babel is the same thing as the story of Genesis - a fictionalized account of something they didn't understand. No different than the greeks believing in Poseidon to explain the sea. Quote:
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Scientific understanding and theories change. Truth does not. There is only one true state that all matter is, was, and will be in. This true state, or as near to it as we can know, is what science attempts to uncover. Science attempts to expose the true state of reality. It has not "gotten there" yet. It self-admittedly has a long way to go. I am perfectly content with the fact that not all the Bible is perfectly matched up with current scientific understanding, because of this. I am very pleased though at how much of Genesis has been shown to be accurate, and I am convinced that we have more such surprises in store for us. Quote:
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In my opinion - the bible is completely useless except in respect as an interesting fantasy novel and parablles on how to live a good life. of course there are many parables out there - such the brother's grimm and so forth that teach similar moral stories. The bible isn't unique in teaching morals. It just has a following of people who want to believe in mysticism.
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Hey - if I was going to choose a fantasy novel to worship and believe in - it wouldn't be the bible - the Silmarillion is much cooler.
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By the way -Lief - i wanted to quote something from the Simpsons that was on a couple of weeks ago. You say how great the bible is at telling how genesis is the truth and stuff. To give you some background information - Ned Flanders was tired of the filth on tv and in the movies - so he decided he would film his kids reenacted the bible stories and produce moves. They starte out with as Ned Flanders said - the murder of all time - Caine and Abel. Anyway -as the kids were getting ready to produce the movie and act out the parts - one of the kids asked. "So daddy if god made only adam and eve and they only had two sons - who did they have babies with - each other or with eve?"
By the way - talk about inconsistancies. First comes adam and eve - they produce two sons. Out of nowhere comes Cain's wife.. Where did Cain's wife come from - note that she is unnamed. They from them comes all these offspring. You can believe genesis and think that it's unquestionable if you wish - but the fact is it's extremely general and you can make anything out of it you wish. BY the way - in Genesis - it says that there was flowering and fruit bearing trees. "let the earth burst forth with every sort of grass and seed-bearing plant, and fruit trees with seeds inside the fruit, so that these seeds will produce the kinds of plants and fruits they came from." Contrary to this - science does not support this. These did not miraculously appear but came at a much later period in time. Not all plants came into being at one time. The fossil record shows distinct divisions between seeded plants, flowering plants and fruit plants.
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Also - when people were crucified on the cross - they were left up there. They were not taken down - but were left up to rot. This also contradicts the bible. With this being the case and with Rome and the Jewish authoritiies being afraid of him beiing more powerful after death - I seriously doubt they would have given Jesus's followers special treatment and allowed them to take down his body, even if it was the sabbath. In John - it also says that jesus told Thomas to place his fingers into his hands (tp feel the nail holes). The problem with this passage is that they didn't nail someone onto the cross by putting the nails in throught the hands - but instead through the wrists. So here again is an inconsistency with history. Quote:
BTW - "Our prophesies"? Are you claiming to be the son of god? I didn't know you had prophesies. I know the BIBLE claims to have prophesies - but so do many things.
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It is obvious from the geneaology that Cain was not Adam's firstborn. The geneaology ignores everyone except the firstborn, moving from firstborn to firstborn on down the bloodline. Also, Adam had daughters. That is where these early wives came from. Quote:
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This is really quite ridiculous - you act like this is all fact and just should be accepted as such. It;s funy by the way - I had forgotten about that little part - that Adam, is said to have had seth - but then cain and Abel are left out of it. BTW - Seth must have been a clone. Quote:
BTW - you do realize that the REAL judgment day is when god comes down the second time. I seriously doubt anyone on this board would accept anyone claiming to be god today. Yet you have no problem believing that someone in ancient times was god and you don't understand why others don't.
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I'm going to bed and I have a lot of work to finish up on my website - I will address this though.
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As for your examples as to why Pilot would have treated jesus differently - you have no idea. Do you know how the the many prisoners before had come before pilot? This again is just you superimposing your belief on things that aren't stated. You know - my book on Churchill is larger than the entire Bible, as is Lord of the Rings. Look at Masada. Archeologists have found evidence of the destruction, they found pieces of pottery with names on them that they feel show the the lottery that was used to determine who would kill who instead of surrendering. But archeologists - instead of finding a mass of skeletons - have only found 25. A far cry from the roughly 1000 who were supposed to have died there. This is an example of biblical exageration. I love having the name Jersey DEVIL during talks like this.
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