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Old 06-21-2004, 12:11 PM   #1261
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....How could this exist and there not be a God?
Indeed. I've often felt that way myself. Music is an indescribable gift of God to humanity.

I think my favorite hymn is "Savior Again to Thy (or "Your" to those of you witht he contemporary version...) Dear Name We Raise."
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Old 06-22-2004, 05:32 AM   #1262
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How could this exist and there not be a God?
Oh, absolutely!

My favourite hymn (that I can think of at the moment) is "The King of Love My Shepherd Is" - and also "Abide With Me".
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Old 06-22-2004, 06:39 AM   #1263
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Makes note so he can drop them into convos to increase his favour...

Merc, I've sung some John Rutter, it's amazing! Really weird at points, but very effective. One especially is Hymn to the Creator of Light, words by Lancelot Andrews.
Tavener also does that kind of thing. I enjoyed The Lamb.
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Old 06-22-2004, 11:31 AM   #1264
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Makes note so he can drop them into convos to increase his favour...

Merc, I've sung some John Rutter, it's amazing! Really weird at points, but very effective. One especially is Hymn to the Creator of Light, words by Lancelot Andrews.
Tavener also does that kind of thing. I enjoyed The Lamb.
We have a few Tavener cd's (and Rutter...I actually saw him in person when he directed a choir at some really old small Episcopal church near here).

And yes mods, this does fit into the religion thread. Were discussing religious music...
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Old 06-22-2004, 02:36 PM   #1265
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Near you? Hmm... where does Rutter live? I thought he came from Canterbury, England... (near me and Sunny, we're claiming him..)
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Old 06-22-2004, 04:49 PM   #1266
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The church just paid him mucho daniero (?) anyway, lots o' $ to come for a week or so, practice/direct their really really good choir, and then give a concert.

you can claim him.
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Old 06-23-2004, 03:22 PM   #1267
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:28 PM   #1268
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Ok, here's a little question for you out there (not that this is only a religion-thread though.):

Is donation of organs right or wrong, in your opinion? Please explain why.
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:54 PM   #1269
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Personally i am converting to wicca or witchcraft. Unlike most people belive, wicca is a very peaceful, harmonious and balanced way of thinking and life which promotes oneness with the divine and all which exists. Also unlike most people belive, witches don't worship saten, saten is a christian creation and they can keep him. I don't belive we need a figure of ultiment damnation to scare us into doing the right thing, we can do that of our own free will.
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Old 08-06-2004, 03:07 AM   #1270
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Personally i am converting to wicca or witchcraft. Unlike most people belive, wicca is a very peaceful, harmonious and balanced way of thinking and life which promotes oneness with the divine and all which exists. Also unlike most people belive, witches don't worship saten, saten is a christian creation and they can keep him. I don't belive we need a figure of ultiment damnation to scare us into doing the right thing, we can do that of our own free will.
It doesn't matter what your brand of faith is, so long as it is peaceful in nature, and does not persecute others who are not of your persuasion.

And as for Satan, he is the perconification of evil. And evil is a real and terrible part of human nature, and thus having it defined should (note the non-definitive 'should') make it easier for us to define and thus combat as best we may.

I agree we can be 'good' without an actual bloke with a red tail and horns wagging his evil finger at us, but I don't think its going to happen. It all depends on your view of the world, and on your view of evil. Christians believe that evil is real and present, and it must be resisted. So thus having a focus for that evil is rather useful.

And welcome to the Moot, Melfena.
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Old 08-08-2004, 10:46 AM   #1271
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It doesn't matter what your brand of faith is, so long as it is peaceful in nature, and does not persecute others who are not of your persuasion.

And as for Satan, he is the perconification of evil. And evil is a real and terrible part of human nature, and thus having it defined should (note the non-definitive 'should') make it easier for us to define and thus combat as best we may.

I agree we can be 'good' without an actual bloke with a red tail and horns wagging his evil finger at us, but I don't think its going to happen. It all depends on your view of the world, and on your view of evil. Christians believe that evil is real and present, and it must be resisted. So thus having a focus for that evil is rather useful.

And welcome to the Moot, Melfena.
A more accurate depiction of Satan as described in the Christian Bible (as far as I know) would be one of the most attractive men you can imagine who is an amazing musician. Some people also say he is completely black (the actual color, like charcoal, not the race).
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Old 08-08-2004, 04:13 PM   #1272
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Starr...I've heard somewhere that Ludifer/Satan was the most gifted musically of the angels...does it say that he is anywhere in the Bible?
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Old 08-09-2004, 11:38 PM   #1273
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Random aside... now for a little hunour.

I grew up in a mixed religion household. It can be hard sometimes. My mother was an agnostic and my father was an athiest. I remember the arguments - "There is no God." "There might be."



Merc's post reminded me of that.
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Old 08-10-2004, 09:31 AM   #1274
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Random aside... now for a little hunour.

I grew up in a mixed religion household. It can be hard sometimes. My mother was an agnostic and my father was an athiest. I remember the arguments - "There is no God." "There might be."



Merc's post reminded me of that.

Quite funny
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Old 08-12-2004, 03:15 PM   #1275
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An Anglican bishop has criticised the hymn "I vow to thee my country" because he thinks it is nationalistic and therefore inappropriate for Christians to sing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3557750.stm

As far as I can see, bishops do this periodically to get some media attention and try and look 'relevant'. However, regardless of whether he's right or wrong about this particular hymn (though I think he's wrong, wrong, wrong) do you think Christianity and patriotism are incompatible?

By the way, BBC News misleadingly only printed the first verse of the hymn; the whole version can be found here:
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/i/v/ivow2the.htm
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As they have done for centuries, as they will
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When England is not England, when mankind
Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea,
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While the strange starfish, hugely magnified,
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Old 08-12-2004, 03:34 PM   #1276
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As far as I can see, bishops do this periodically to get some media attention and try and look 'relevant'. However, regardless of whether he's right or wrong about this particular hymn (though I think he's wrong, wrong, wrong) do you think Christianity and patriotism are incompatible?
i think religion and patriotism are very similar... which is why they are so often at odds with one another... both look to a greater intangible of dubious existance
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I have sometimes wondered whether some people use patriotism as a substitute for religion if they don't want to believe in God...
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Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand
As they have done for centuries, as they will
For centuries to come, when not a soul
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Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea,
Consolingly disastrous, will return
While the strange starfish, hugely magnified,
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the desire for meaning and 'something greater' is very strong among humanity, and many may look to patriotism is something more tangible in today's world

the more things change, the more they stay the same

i do agree that they should be able to sing whatever they want, however... nobody really pays attention to the words anyway, i'm sure
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An Anglican bishop has criticised the hymn "I vow to thee my country" because he thinks it is nationalistic and therefore inappropriate for Christians to sing.
Fortunately, The Telegraph gave him what for!
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Fortunately, The Telegraph gave him what for!
I said that!!! I said that!!! ME, ME, ME!!!

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