The Official Languages Thread - Page 60

Nerdanel · 03-09-2004, 07:23 PM

I don't call it Härskarringen, I've always said Sagan om Ringen. Someone who knows, what's the difference?
I understand if he disliked it; it doesn't mean the same thing at all!

Last Child of Ungoliant · 03-09-2004, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nerdanel
I don't call it Härskarringen, I've always said Sagan om Ringen. Someone who knows, what's the difference?
I understand if he disliked it; it doesn't mean the same thing at all!

sorry, dont speak any scandinavian languages...

Falagar · 03-09-2004, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nerdanel
I don't call it Härskarringen, I've always said Sagan om Ringen. Someone who knows, what's the difference?
I understand if he disliked it; it doesn't mean the same thing at all!

I think there are two different versions, a new one coming up soon and the old one by a guy named Ohlmark. Now I can't remember which is which though.

A few errors in Ohlberk's translation, according to this site:
Ford of Bruinen - Björnavad (Bear's crossing, I think)
Archet - Gamleby (Old village)
Mountains of Lune (Ered Luin) - Månbergen (moon-mountains)
Gladden Fields - Ljusa slätterna (bright plains)

And what Tolkien said on the subject (among other things):

Quote:

"Ohlmarks is a very vain man (as I discovered in our correspondence), preferring his own fancy to facts, and very ready to pretend to knowledge which he does not possess."

Quote:

In translating vol. i p.12, 'they seldom wore shoes, since their feet had though leathery soles and were clad in a thick curling hair, much like the hair of their heads', he read the text as'. . . their feet had thick feathery soles, and they were clad in a thick curling hair. . .'and so produces in his Introduction a picture of hobbits whose outdoor garb was of matted hair, while under their feet they had solid feather-cushion treads! This is made doubly absurd, since it occurs in a passage where he is suggesting that the hobbits are modelled on the inhabitants of the idyllic suburb of Headington."

Nerdanel · 03-09-2004, 07:35 PM

Yes, there are some errors. I thought maybe I should translate it correctly some day.

Linaewen · 03-10-2004, 04:53 AM

This is also a very good site about the Swedish translation (In Swedish) I find the whole thing very amusing; Tolkien seems to have really disliked Åke Ohlmarks.

This is one of my favourite bits from that site:

Quote:

Dessutom så har Legolas barn i den svenska versionen. Detta p g a att när Legolas använder ordet "barn" om Aragorn och Gimli i Ringens Brödraskap, när han berättar att det var länge sedan han hade rest med "er barn", så skrev översättaren "mina barn" istället för "er barn".

..which just talks about how Legolas had kids in the Swedish version, because instead of saying 'your children' he said 'my children'.

It's funny.

Lalaith · 03-10-2004, 04:54 AM

Hmmm, I know that Tolkien liked the German translation. I think he also worked together with the woman who translated it.

A lot of the German names were suggestions of Tolkien himself. He wanted the Elf to be called "ELBEN" as he couldn't do that in English (someone said, that the English speaking people were not able to pronounce it ...).

***Earniel*** · 03-10-2004, 03:55 PM

Thanks for the translation of the swedish and finnish title, Nerdanel and Falagar. It would seem that Dutch isn't the only language where the title deviates a little from the English one. There goes my observation.

I remembered an old thread about translating the names of characters in other languages...

wait, I'll dig it up.

Translation of names

Hm, I thought it was longer....

Nerdanel · 03-10-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Linaewen
This is also a very good site about the Swedish translation (In Swedish) I find the whole thing very amusing; Tolkien seems to have really disliked Åke Ohlmarks.

This is one of my favourite bits from that site:

..which just talks about how Legolas had kids in the Swedish version, because instead of saying 'your children' he said 'my children'. It's funny.

Another reason why I should stop reading Tolkien in Swedish and start reading it in the original language instead.

What do you think about this: (Finnish)

Klonkku=Gollum
Keskimaa=Middle Earth (a direct translation)
örkki=orc
Haltiat=Elves

..and a lot more.

If you'd hear those Finnish names, would you recognice them then?

Didn't thinks so either.

Grey_Wolf · 03-13-2004, 03:22 AM

What most people want in the world today....

Fred (Swedish)

Peace (English)

Friede (German)

Paz (Spanish)

Pace (Italian)

Paix (French)

Rauha (Finnish)

Mir (Russian)

Rahat (Turkish)

Janny · 03-13-2004, 05:20 AM

And suddenly the Mir space station makes sense!

I will refrain from making the cheap joke about Swedes wanting that looker Fred, as it would lower the tone of the post.

Lalaith · 03-13-2004, 05:21 AM

It's FRIEDE in German. Just a little mistake.

Janny · 03-13-2004, 05:34 AM

Is it true that in Swiss German there's a corruption of 'Peace Corner', Friede Ecke, that comes out as Fried Eggs?

Grey_Wolf · 03-13-2004, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lalaith
It's FRIEDE in German. Just a little mistake.

Thanks.

***Jonathan*** · 03-13-2004, 07:06 AM

Åke Ohlmarks translated quite freely, but many things have been changed in later editions of the Swedish version of LotR. Like the thing about Legolas's kids and the feathery soles of the hobbits, those things have been corrected.

This fall, a completely new Swedish translation of LotR is due to appear. The translators are going to be as true to Tolkien as possible.

Lalaith · 03-13-2004, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Janny
Is it true that in Swiss German there's a corruption of 'Peace Corner', Friede Ecke, that comes out as Fried Eggs?

Hmmm, I don't really get what you mean.

Do you speak of the pronunciation?

Linaewen · 03-13-2004, 08:18 AM

I think they (

Jon) mean that when the Swiss Germans pronounce 'Peace corner' auf Deutsch it sounds like 'Fried eggs' to others.

Lalaith · 03-13-2004, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Linaewen
I think they ( Jon) mean that when the Swiss Germans pronounce 'Peace corner' auf Deutsch it sounds like 'Fried eggs' to others.

Hmm, yah, I thought so.

Because when I tried to pronounce it in Swiss German (yah, in thought I am able to do so) it sounds quite similar to "Fried eggs". Friedensecke.

Janny · 03-13-2004, 04:35 PM

Thanx Layla and Linny

It was just something vague in my mind from something mum said, she used to work der Schweiz (can't spell it in English...). I wasn't sure if she meant that it sounded like it or if she'd seen it on a sign writted as 'Fried Eggs'.

Lalaith · 03-14-2004, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Janny
Thanx Layla and Linny
It was just something vague in my mind from something mum said, she used to work der Schweiz (can't spell it in English...). I wasn't sure if she meant that it sounded like it or if she'd seen it on a sign writted as 'Fried Eggs'.

Hehehe. Will people always find new names for my soul mate and me?

Janny · 03-14-2004, 07:15 AM

It's just cuz Lin anglified Janny to Jon... I thought I'd do my own botched version...

03-09-2004, 07:23 PM	#1181
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	I don't call it Härskarringen, I've always said Sagan om Ringen. Someone who knows, what's the difference? I understand if he disliked it; it doesn't mean the same thing at all! __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

03-09-2004, 07:35 PM	#1184
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	Yes, there are some errors. I thought maybe I should translate it correctly some day. __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

03-10-2004, 04:54 AM	#1186
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Hmmm, I know that Tolkien liked the German translation. I think he also worked together with the woman who translated it. A lot of the German names were suggestions of Tolkien himself. He wanted the Elf to be called "ELBEN" as he couldn't do that in English (someone said, that the English speaking people were not able to pronounce it ...). __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-10-2004, 03:55 PM	#1187
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Thanks for the translation of the swedish and finnish title, Nerdanel and Falagar. It would seem that Dutch isn't the only language where the title deviates a little from the English one. There goes my observation. I remembered an old thread about translating the names of characters in other languages... wait, I'll dig it up. Translation of names Hm, I thought it was longer.... __________________ We are not things.

03-13-2004, 03:22 AM	#1189
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	What most people want in the world today.... Fred (Swedish) Peace (English) Friede (German) Paz (Spanish) Pace (Italian) Paix (French) Rauha (Finnish) Mir (Russian) Rahat (Turkish) Last edited by Grey_Wolf : 03-13-2004 at 05:54 AM.

03-13-2004, 05:20 AM	#1190
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	And suddenly the Mir space station makes sense! I will refrain from making the cheap joke about Swedes wanting that looker Fred, as it would lower the tone of the post. __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

03-13-2004, 05:21 AM	#1191
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	It's FRIEDE in German. Just a little mistake. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-13-2004, 05:34 AM	#1192
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Is it true that in Swiss German there's a corruption of 'Peace Corner', Friede Ecke, that comes out as Fried Eggs? __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

03-13-2004, 07:06 AM	#1194
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	Åke Ohlmarks translated quite freely, but many things have been changed in later editions of the Swedish version of LotR. Like the thing about Legolas's kids and the feathery soles of the hobbits, those things have been corrected. This fall, a completely new Swedish translation of LotR is due to appear. The translators are going to be as true to Tolkien as possible. __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

03-13-2004, 08:18 AM	#1196
Linaewen Fair Dinkum Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,319	I think they ( Jon) mean that when the Swiss Germans pronounce 'Peace corner' auf Deutsch it sounds like 'Fried eggs' to others.

03-13-2004, 04:35 PM	#1198
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Thanx Layla and Linny It was just something vague in my mind from something mum said, she used to work der Schweiz (can't spell it in English...). I wasn't sure if she meant that it sounded like it or if she'd seen it on a sign writted as 'Fried Eggs'. __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

03-14-2004, 07:15 AM	#1200
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	It's just cuz Lin anglified Janny to Jon... I thought I'd do my own botched version... __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
The Official Design Discussion Thread	Grey_Wolf	General Messages	10	12-07-2005 04:59 PM
The official "What's the Elvish?" thread	Gwaimir Windgem	Middle Earth	12	02-03-2003 02:51 PM
An Open Letter/apology	Lady Midnight	General Messages	25	05-25-2002 06:18 PM