The Order of the Phoenix SPOILER Review Thread - Page 6

Elvengirl · 07-01-2003, 10:17 AM

Just finished it so here's my two cents worth:

Overall it was pretty good. It's not my favorite, but I'd say it comes in second.

Dumbledore vs. Voldemort was awesome. Finally get to see Dumbledore's wit, strength, and power.

Fred and George

<----- (need I explain?)

What was the point of Sirius's death? I think it was sloppily done and totally unnecessary.

The DA was great. It was good to see more students take action, though I expected to see the Army in action.

Neville, wow, didn't think he had it in him. Good for him. I think there will be more to see from him

The Prophesy was dissappointing. Nothing new there except the tying in of Neville. What's to come........?

Cho

What did Harry see in her? I personally thought they were not a good match.

Umbridge

I wanted to scream. One word for her: EVIL!

If I had one complaint, I'd would be that the book was too slow, too dragged out.

Hmmm...can't think of anything else for now. But there is definitely things that need to be explained in the next book.

jerseydevil · 07-01-2003, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cassiopeia
I just checked my book, and it's no wonder I didn't notice that word: because it's not in my version. It has '"We're not going to use magic?" Ron exclaimed loudly.' So they must've changed the word for the American version. I wonder why?

I have the American Scholastic version and it's in there.

Cirdan · 07-01-2003, 12:56 PM

Is thew Aussie version identical to the GB print?

jerseydevil · 07-01-2003, 01:14 PM

cassiopeia - I misunderstood you when I posted my above post.

Maybe it's not the American version that has been changed - but the Australian version - or the version you are reading. It would be very strange if they ADDED the word "ejaculated" to the American version - since we don't even use the word in the context that it is used in the book.

Sheeana · 07-01-2003, 04:26 PM

Well, I have the bloomsbury (published in Great Britain) edition, and it says "exclaimed" as well. Weird.

Radagast The Brown · 07-01-2003, 04:44 PM

Where is it in the book? I want to check in mine. (The transaltion, by the way, to hebrew, is from the American book...)

Estel13 · 07-01-2003, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Salquënòrëwen
I also couldn't belive James was such a jerk, I was so mad at him.....and I kinda felt sorry for Snape....until he called Lily a mudblood, then I was like "Now beat his head against the ground, James!" hehe....

HEAR HEAR!!!
*mutters* Slimy, git, greaseball...
Slimy, oily-haired kid, he was.-Sirius Black*sob*

Sylvee Estel · 07-01-2003, 11:03 PM

Now that I have read the book twice, I want to say some more stuff...

I loved Harry's temper. I can completely understand how he feels sometimes. I think it made him seem more real.

I thought Sirius's death was really sad. But I don't think he will be coming back. I thought it was pretty clear that he was dead. Maybe he'll come back in a dream or vision or something, I dunno.

I liked Neville, Ginny, Dumbledore, and some more characters better in this book, they seemed more real, and they were much more interesting.

The flaws in the wizarding government make the whole wizarding world seem more real too. So do characters like Percy and Umbridge.

I have a question... if Harry's got to kill Voldemort, how will he do it? The Avada Kedavra curse thing didn't kill him when it backfired on him earlier. And I thought there wasn't enough human left in him to die. So Harry's gonna have a hard time killing him, isnt he?

My last question is... How did Harry get the Maurader's Map back? When we last saw it, the fake Moody had it... I think. So how'd Harry get it?

Anyway overall I think this is my new favorite book, replacing the 3rd one.

***Khamûl*** · 07-01-2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Millane
ohhh yeah i pictured Ainsley Harriot playing Kingsley but Samuel L Jackson would be awesome too (is that the Shaft your refering to?) in any case if they got Jackson in to do it it would add so many classy lines to the movie "english mother****er, do you speak it?" or when he busts in at the end in the Department of Mysteries "this parties over" then cursing everything to death

I think Samuel L. Jackson would rock as Kingsley. Michael Clarke Duncan (the guy from The Green Mile) would be an awesome Kingsley too. He's definitely intimidating enough.

Tanoliel · 07-01-2003, 11:36 PM

I've reflected some...all my earlier points are still true. But I would like to add that overall the whole thing was very much a damn fool story--for everyone. And that was annoying.
By 'damn fool story' I mean a story whose plot, at least for the damn fool, hinges on the fact that the damn fool was stupid in some way, forgot something, didn't say a certain thing, etc.
So for HP5, NO ONE is talking to ANYONE else, and that's most of the reason everything goes wrong.
So all I have to say now is: TALK TO EACH OTHER, PEOPLE!

(Er. Yes. That is all.

)

tano

Linaewen · 07-02-2003, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cassiopeia
I just checked my book, and it's no wonder I didn't notice that word: because it's not in my version. It has '"We're not going to use magic?" Ron exclaimed loudly.' So they must've changed the word for the American version. I wonder why?

Huh?

I have the Bloomsbury edition, and I am fairly sure I came across that word- and I thought it was slightly strange. Aren't all the Aussie editions the same?

Sheeana · 07-02-2003, 03:20 PM

Lin, *I* have the Bloomsbury text as well, and it says "exclaimed", not "ejaculated." Was yours printed in Great Britain like mine?

Quote:

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
Where is it in the book? I want to check in mine. (The transaltion, by the way, to hebrew, is from the American book...)

It's in the chapter where they first have their defence of dark arts class, just after hermione puts her hand up, I think.

sun-star · 07-02-2003, 03:30 PM

Well, mine was definitely printed in the UK, and it has "exclaimed" (it's towards the end of Chapter 12). Funny thing to change

Radagast The Brown · 07-02-2003, 04:20 PM

mine is exclaimed. (the British book).

Cirdan · 07-02-2003, 09:31 PM

So, we have a bit of a mystery. Since the British version is going to be the original text, and "exclaimed" is the more commonly used word in the US, why did the translator change the word? Is this a prank, I wonder?

***HOBBIT*** · 07-02-2003, 09:36 PM

that is weird - my version definitely says ejaculated. i thought it must have said that originally because NO ONE uses that here. probably a prank, lol.

I was wondering why no one mentioned it here sooner! I guess because most of you don't have it.

EyeSeeYou · 07-03-2003, 11:21 AM

i have the first american edition.... it says "We're not oging to use magic? Ron ejaculated loudly."

thats kinda funny.

Elf Girl · 07-03-2003, 03:15 PM

*crisp McGonagall voice* I really don't see what all the fuss is.

Elf Girl · 07-03-2003, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jerseydevil
In the US - the word is only really used in a sexual context. If that is the only way it is used here - that will be the way people will think of it. Words only conjure up images of the way we use them - so it makes sense that Americans would think of the sexual meaning and not the way it is used in England.

I live in America. I guess from reading British novels I have learned to not see the sexual content in everything. It's a skill.

Tanoliel · 07-03-2003, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elf Girl
*crisp McGonagall voice* I really don't see what all the fuss is.

Neither do I. It's been what, three pages?

And anyway, I just came across the word used as "a voice ejaculated from across the room" (paraphrased, I don't remember the quote) while reading Jane Eyre.

Don't get yer knickers in a twist.

tano

p.s. I realize by posting that I became a complete hypocrite and am adding to the fuss...

07-01-2003, 10:17 AM	#101
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	Just finished it so here's my two cents worth: Overall it was pretty good. It's not my favorite, but I'd say it comes in second. Dumbledore vs. Voldemort was awesome. Finally get to see Dumbledore's wit, strength, and power. Fred and George <----- (need I explain?) What was the point of Sirius's death? I think it was sloppily done and totally unnecessary. The DA was great. It was good to see more students take action, though I expected to see the Army in action. Neville, wow, didn't think he had it in him. Good for him. I think there will be more to see from him The Prophesy was dissappointing. Nothing new there except the tying in of Neville. What's to come........? Cho What did Harry see in her? I personally thought they were not a good match. Umbridge I wanted to scream. One word for her: EVIL! If I had one complaint, I'd would be that the book was too slow, too dragged out. Hmmm...can't think of anything else for now. But there is definitely things that need to be explained in the next book. __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

07-01-2003, 12:56 PM	#103
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Is thew Aussie version identical to the GB print? __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

07-01-2003, 01:14 PM	#104
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	cassiopeia - I misunderstood you when I posted my above post. Maybe it's not the American version that has been changed - but the Australian version - or the version you are reading. It would be very strange if they ADDED the word "ejaculated" to the American version - since we don't even use the word in the context that it is used in the book. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

07-01-2003, 04:44 PM	#106
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Where is it in the book? I want to check in mine. (The transaltion, by the way, to hebrew, is from the American book...) __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

07-01-2003, 11:03 PM	#108
Sylvee Estel Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 115	Now that I have read the book twice, I want to say some more stuff... I loved Harry's temper. I can completely understand how he feels sometimes. I think it made him seem more real. I thought Sirius's death was really sad. But I don't think he will be coming back. I thought it was pretty clear that he was dead. Maybe he'll come back in a dream or vision or something, I dunno. I liked Neville, Ginny, Dumbledore, and some more characters better in this book, they seemed more real, and they were much more interesting. The flaws in the wizarding government make the whole wizarding world seem more real too. So do characters like Percy and Umbridge. I have a question... if Harry's got to kill Voldemort, how will he do it? The Avada Kedavra curse thing didn't kill him when it backfired on him earlier. And I thought there wasn't enough human left in him to die. So Harry's gonna have a hard time killing him, isnt he? My last question is... How did Harry get the Maurader's Map back? When we last saw it, the fake Moody had it... I think. So how'd Harry get it? Anyway overall I think this is my new favorite book, replacing the 3rd one. __________________ ~Sylvee

07-01-2003, 04:26 PM	#105
Sheeana Lord of the Pants Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,382	Well, I have the bloomsbury (published in Great Britain) edition, and it says "exclaimed" as well. Weird.

07-01-2003, 11:36 PM	#110
Tanoliel Eccentric Chocolate Crow Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Emerald City--Seattle, WA Posts: 1,861	I've reflected some...all my earlier points are still true. But I would like to add that overall the whole thing was very much a damn fool story--for everyone. And that was annoying. By 'damn fool story' I mean a story whose plot, at least for the damn fool, hinges on the fact that the damn fool was stupid in some way, forgot something, didn't say a certain thing, etc. So for HP5, NO ONE is talking to ANYONE else, and that's most of the reason everything goes wrong. So all I have to say now is: TALK TO EACH OTHER, PEOPLE! (Er. Yes. That is all. ) tano __________________ Wisdom for Short Attention Spans...Ozy and Millie. It rocks. Food Of The Gods: 3,7-dihydro-3,7-dimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione Feed Me.... Another Online Dwelling Place... "All right, I confess. It is my intention to comandeer a ship, pick up a crew in Tortuga, to rape, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out." -Captain Jack Sparrow "The trouble with unknown enemies is that they are so difficult to identify." -Amelia Peabody Emerson "Most people obey the orders of someone who is pointing a gun at their head." -A.P. Emerson

07-02-2003, 03:30 PM	#113
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Well, mine was definitely printed in the UK, and it has "exclaimed" (it's towards the end of Chapter 12). Funny thing to change __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

07-02-2003, 04:20 PM	#114
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	mine is exclaimed. (the British book). __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by Radagast The Brown : 07-02-2003 at 04:26 PM.

07-02-2003, 09:31 PM	#115
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	So, we have a bit of a mystery. Since the British version is going to be the original text, and "exclaimed" is the more commonly used word in the US, why did the translator change the word? Is this a prank, I wonder? __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

07-02-2003, 09:36 PM	#116
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	that is weird - my version definitely says ejaculated. i thought it must have said that originally because NO ONE uses that here. probably a prank, lol. I was wondering why no one mentioned it here sooner! I guess because most of you don't have it. __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

07-03-2003, 11:21 AM	#117
EyeSeeYou Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Across the water Posts: 30	i have the first american edition.... it says "We're not oging to use magic? Ron ejaculated loudly." thats kinda funny. __________________ "... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives..."

07-03-2003, 03:15 PM	#118
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