Men of the Silmarillion - Page 6

Arien the Maia · 05-29-2003, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
In the published Sil, Eöl used 'magic' to lead Aredhel to his house, but after that she stayed, at least partly willing.

I think the rape part is in Morgoth's Ring, "Laws and customs among the Eldar", but I'm not sure of it.

did Tolkien ever write about an elf raping another elf?

Artanis · 05-29-2003, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Arien the Maia
did Tolkien ever write about an elf raping another elf?

Oh no! I think that would be very 'un-Tolkienish'. OK, let's see if I can find the quote you were talking about..... All right, there it is, from Morgoth's Ring, Laws and customs among the Eldar:

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The Eldar wedded once only in life, and for love or at the leastby free will upon either part. Even when in after days, as the histories reveal, many of the Eldar in Middle-earth became corrupted, and their hearts darkened by the shadow that lies upon Arda, seldom is any tale told of deeds of lust among them. (5)

And the corresponding note:

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... But among all these evils there is no record of any among the Elves that took another's spouse by force; for this was wholly against their nature, and one so forced would have rejected bodily life and passed to Mandos.

Arien the Maia · 05-29-2003, 08:04 PM

ahhh...I see...so they could reject bodily life if they were being forced to do something they didn't want to do

Artanis · 05-30-2003, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Linaewen
Uh, is Legolas a man of the Silmarillion? J/k! No, I'm not doing that Legolas thing again.

Legolas Greenleaf was an Elf in Gondolin.

Inderjit Sanghera · 06-01-2003, 11:36 AM

Just a statement to any confused by Artanis's statement: Legolas of FoG and the Fellowship aren't the same person. Well it is 99.9999999999999999 per cent certain they weren't.

Ruinel · 06-01-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Inderjit Sanghera
Just a statement to any confused by Artanis's statement: Legolas of FoG and the Fellowship aren't the same person. Well it is 99.9999999999999999 per cent certain they weren't.

I think Inderjit is right. These 2 Legolases... Legolasae... Legolasi? Anyway... they are not the same Elf.

I will need to check the first post, but I thought this thread was about Men, not Elves.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 06-01-2003, 03:47 PM

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I thought this thread was about Men, not Elves.

I should have titled it "Males of the Silmarillion." That's what it is suppose to be about.

Ruinel · 06-01-2003, 03:49 PM

Ah, yes. I just read it. And of course, you started out exclaiming your love for Finrod (my boyfriend/fiance). But all is forgiven, SGH. And I gave you the FF that posts on the Moot as a consolation prize.

Does that remind you of the good old times? LOL!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 06-01-2003, 03:53 PM

Don't start!

Ruinel · 06-01-2003, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Don't start!

ROFLMAO!!!

Artanis · 06-02-2003, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
I think Inderjit is right. These 2 Legolases... Legolasae... Legolasi? Anyway... they are not the same Elf.

Hehe. Of course they're not the same Elf. I just wanted to give Lin something to think about.

Ruinel · 06-02-2003, 09:15 PM

Ah.. ok..

Utumno · 06-03-2003, 07:56 PM

The thought of a lot of these elves is intoxicating... but especially Fingon, Fingolfin, and even Feanor

.

Why doesn't Glorfindel ride to me on a white horse and give me elvish drink, I'd take a nazgul blade for it.

I'd hang from my wrist for ages to be rescued by Fingon.

And what wouldn't I give for a little time in Nerdanel's place just after the marriage?

Heck, I'd probably even go for Curufin and Maeglin, being as how they are so skilled and crafty and... such. hehehe

But I have to say that on a serious note if I could have any elf I'd not be any of them.

And though I love Finrod I know he has Amarie. I think I'd go for Gildor (who seems very fun and is charming) or Pengolodh... he seem so sweet. But there are tons of others such as Voronwe... a lot of great elves.

Inderjit Sanghera · 06-04-2003, 06:13 AM

Quite the fetish there Utumno. Heck if you rephrased the Glorfindel thingy then you may come out with something QUITE rude.

Arien the Maia · 06-04-2003, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Utumno

And what wouldn't I give for a little time in Nerdanel's place just after the marriage?

you might have some competition

Feanor is spoken for

Linaewen · 06-05-2003, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Hehe. Of course they're not the same Elf. I just wanted to give Lin something to think about.

You certainly did! *wonders if the Legolas thing will start again* Nope, Beren & Beleg all the way! *swoon* <-- look, Ruinel!!

Lalaith · 06-05-2003, 10:10 AM

Turin I guess. I don't know why.

Ruinel · 06-07-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by Utumno
And though I love Finrod I know he has Amarie.

O.o Finrod is spoken for... and not by Amarie.

Linaewen: good job on the swooning.

very nice.

Artanis · 06-07-2003, 04:35 AM

Ehem - Lin - Beleg is also spoken for ...

Linaewen · 06-07-2003, 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Ehem - Lin - Beleg is also spoken for ...

Awww, come on. Surely, we couldn't share him? I have no qualms about that! (Heck, it's been done before!

)

Artanis, what happened to Celeborn? Naughty, naughty!

06-01-2003, 03:53 PM	#9
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06-03-2003, 07:56 PM	#13
Utumno Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 14	The thought of a lot of these elves is intoxicating... but especially Fingon, Fingolfin, and even Feanor . Why doesn't Glorfindel ride to me on a white horse and give me elvish drink, I'd take a nazgul blade for it. I'd hang from my wrist for ages to be rescued by Fingon. And what wouldn't I give for a little time in Nerdanel's place just after the marriage? Heck, I'd probably even go for Curufin and Maeglin, being as how they are so skilled and crafty and... such. hehehe But I have to say that on a serious note if I could have any elf I'd not be any of them. And though I love Finrod I know he has Amarie. I think I'd go for Gildor (who seems very fun and is charming) or Pengolodh... he seem so sweet. But there are tons of others such as Voronwe... a lot of great elves. Last edited by Utumno : 06-03-2003 at 07:58 PM.

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05-29-2003, 08:04 PM	#3
Arien the Maia Fëanáro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	ahhh...I see...so they could reject bodily life if they were being forced to do something they didn't want to do

06-01-2003, 11:36 AM	#5
Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	Just a statement to any confused by Artanis's statement: Legolas of FoG and the Fellowship aren't the same person. Well it is 99.9999999999999999 per cent certain they weren't.

06-01-2003, 03:49 PM	#8
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Ah, yes. I just read it. And of course, you started out exclaiming your love for Finrod (my boyfriend/fiance). But all is forgiven, SGH. And I gave you the FF that posts on the Moot as a consolation prize. Does that remind you of the good old times? LOL!

06-02-2003, 09:15 PM	#12
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Ah.. ok..

06-04-2003, 06:13 AM	#14
Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	Quite the fetish there Utumno. Heck if you rephrased the Glorfindel thingy then you may come out with something QUITE rude.