Grammar, Punctuation, Spelling, etc.

[Lizra]

The truth is I never once was "thinking of you" when posting on this thread! (except to tell you to get over it when you got wacky!)

[Rían]

samwiselvr2008 - well, you really have me confused. I didn't read back over the entire thread, but the only post directed at you that I can remember is the one just following your last post. So when you say:

Then, everyone that reads it and fills bad will say how sory they are and cleer it up. And then I will be looking around some a little bit later, and find those same people who had just apolagized and said that they understood complaning about my spelling again.

Can you at least not say "everyone" and "those same people"? I know that I, personally, have not attacked you, but have tried to encourage you (as have several others). I think that maybe you are feeling so bad about this that you are reading into other people's posts that we are attacking you, when we really aren't. That's so easy to do - imagine someone is thinking something that they aren't thinking over an issue that you are sensitive about. Maybe I'm missing something, but just looking back a few posts, I see azalea, lizra and I all encouraging you, not attacking you.

Now if people do complain about spelling errors in general, please do NOT assume that we are complaining about YOUR spelling - that's not fair to assume. As I said in one of my earlier posts, spelling errors just happen to catch my eye and bug me in the sense that an out-of-tune note would bug a musician, but I'm NOT bugged at the PERSON that made the spelling error or played the sour note.

[samwiselvr2008]

I was talking about what has happend in the past. People say that they understand and then they go back later and complane, and even if it is not about me (and it is true that some of you have been incouraging me), I still fill like it was somewhat directed towds me, you are, after all, talking about bad spelling, and I AM a bad speller, and you are talking about bad spellers in general. Sorry, but sometimes I take things to personly, and this is one of them, I have after all tried everything that I could. It is not fair that you talk about and complane about bad spelling, when I can not help it. Even if it is not directed towds me, it still seems like it is. I geuss that it is one of those things that you can not understand unless you have been there, just like how people can not understand life in a wheel chair like me, and tons of other people who have experiensed life in a wheel chair. Same with spelling, (I think), you can not say that you understand completly unless you yourself have been in my passision, or very simuler to where I am.

[Lizra]

Aaack! Do you find this as amusing ( in a sad sort of way) as I do Rian! Samwiselvr, Life isn't fair....That's one thing I do understand. Just do the best you can, and don't worry about what others think. One of my children wishes she could communicate as well as you do! But life isn't fair.

[Celandine]

grammer and spelling and punctashun i hate em all

[Rían]

samwiselvr2008 - Lizra is referring to the fact that one of my kids is in a wheelchair (she and I have been talking a bit thru PMs). I'm sorry that you are, too (at least it appears that you are - is that true?) because I know many of the difficulties - get somewhere, lift w/c out of car, lift son out of car, start going, encounter stairs, try to find elevator, etc. However, I see in the happy thread that you are also a Christian, like me, so we know that God very carefully allows certain painful things in our lives for a greater good that sometimes only He can see (but that we'll be able to see in heaven! and you and my son will be leaping for joy there, according to the Bible!)

Now I will NOT stop talking about spelling errors on this thread because you are possibly thinking that I am looking down on you - I have clearly stated that I am NOT thinking bad about you - please take me at my word, it is really unfair to me if you don't (and the other people who have very nicely taken their time to encourage you, too).

A very important, but difficult, lesson that I have learned over the years is to stop "filling in the blanks" of what I think people are thinking - my idea of what they are thinking is usually very wrong, and it only makes me fret and get upset. God gives us grace to deal with the things that ARE, not the billion and a half things that you can IMAGINE. I really hope that you can learn this, too - it is such an important lesson. You just need to do what you think is right and don't worry about what others may be thinking (now, you need to be as considerate as you can of others, but don't let what people may be thinking stop you from doing something that you know is right)- and ESPECIALLY don't "fill in the blanks" of things that they MIGHT be thinking, but MOST PROBABLY AREN'T!! This is all meant very kindly and I hope it helps you. You can PM me if you would like to talk some more

[Rían]

Looking back on your post, just one more bit of hopefully helpful advice from an older Christian woman to a younger - you need to concentrate on pleasing God, not people. You'll never please everyone, anyway - don't let it bind you in fear! So what if you can't spell? As long as it is not due to a moral fault (like you are too lazy to put effort into it, or you are really rebelling and refuse to try and do well) - then SO WHAT? God knows, and He looks at your heart, not at your spelling grades. You concentrate on getting your heart right with His help, ok?

[azalea]

I just want to clarify something, too: I was not saying your spelling doesn't annoy me just to be nice. When I say spelling mistakes annoy me, it of course doesn't mean that I am annoyed with the person. I guess a better way to say it is that a spelling mistake causes my brain to have to do a little more thinking. When I'm reading a post, and come to a word that is misspelled (is that spelled correctly? ), my brain has to stop for a split second to "rework" the word so that I can then continue reading. Almost everyone has spelling mistakes or typos in their posts at some point, so the conversation wasn't directed at any one person or group of people. I hope this clears things up a little. I really enjoy your posts, and the content of the post is the most important thing to me, not the spelling, punctuation mistakes, etc. I was being honest, in that spelling mistakes annoy me because I have to read the post more carefully, but it makes no difference if the poster is you or Sister Golden Hair or Aeryn or Rian or whoever making the post.

[crickhollow]

the 'moot is not the place to take things personally, samwiselvr. Most, if not all of us, used plenty of smilies in order to show that all was in fun. We also have made a point to poke fun at ourselves over this quirk we have about proof-reading posts. We like you whether or not you're grammatically correct

[samwiselvr2008]

Okay, well I'm sorry to for getting so mad. RÃ*an, I am not in a whell chair, but I was for seven weeks, so I know that I'm not an expert on it, but I sertantly know more about it then most people. I am not trying to please other people (well I am, but, it's not my mane focus), but some things just anoy me. I am sorry if I made anyone mad, it just anoys me, because I know that even if it is not directly stated at me, it may be somwhat. The point is, is that not everyone is or ever will be a great speller. I know that we all make spelling mistakes at some point, but I don't like it when people say things like "I hate spelling," because then I fill targeted. I guess that what I am trying to say, is that I don't mind if people say "I don't like it when people make careless mistakes, are when people always abreveate," but that could just be because I was doing that alot, untill someone did metion that. I know not to take things personly on the moot, but, it still makes me think.

[Laurelyn]

Samwise Lover:
I am a writing person. Spelling always came easy to me somehow from the day I decided to write. I just wrote in the letters.
Sometimes I got the word right, sometimes I got it wrong.

I'm not trying to rub anything in. It's just the way I am.

So: It's just the way you are. I don't mind. I couldn't mind. It's like my disregard of complete sentence requirements.
I like what you say. How you spell it doesn't make any difference. Perhaps sometimes I have to go over and read it twice to make sense of the words that are spelled incorrectly if they confuse me, but I honestly don't mind. I cannot be mad at you for trying.

One day you'll reach the star at the top of the sky, Samwise.
And I can see you're the type to keep climbing. Don't apologize to us for what to can't help, please. I'm gonna like you just fine however you spell things.

[Silverstripe]

I try not to get too annoyed when people don't use proper grammar and spelling, because I do the same thing myself. My opinion is that I shouldn't really complain about something unless I'm never guilty of it. I do correct other people's grammar sometimes, though. I'm trying not to do that, but it's hard to stop myself!
Anyway, sometimes statements that are technically grammatically correct are more confusing than bad grammar.
I enjoy what people have to say, though, whether they say it in a grammatically correct manner or not. So everyone just have fun! I couldn't care less about how you spell and whether you use proper grammar.

[crickhollow]

*sigh* I try not to read my campus paper unless I'm in the mood to be tolerant of grammatical errors. They've dramatically improved their spelling, so perhaps I shouldn't complain.

Still, in this edition, one of the writers quoted herself in the third person, and made this statement on the same article: "the suspect was an 18-year-old male that the police were suspicious of." Aside from the redundancy, one should never end a sentence with 'of'. It should read: "...18-year-old male of whom the police were suspicious."

*embarrassed* My only comfort is that I know other campus newspapers are just as bad.

[Nerdanel]

it depends, but i seldom use capital letters when i'm chatting or on the internet in general.. i'm not sure why, i just started it at one point, and now i can't stop. sometimes i do as you should, though, something that depends on the person i'm talking to.

i also tend to make some spelling and grammar mistakes, due to english being my thrid language.. i've tried to tell people that they're very welcome to correct me, since i want to learn from my mistakes, but few people do that. i guess some think it's impolite, or maybe they're just being lazy. one thing i got pointed out for me, though, is that i often write 'aswell' instead of 'as well', something i never noticed. but now i know.
i also tend to avoid using e.g. lol, imo, btw..

i'm not annoyed with minor spelling errors, but when people try to talk to me in numbers mixed with letters, i just can't take it. this is especially the case if it's a person i don't know, because it gives a bad first impression. otherwise i try to judge people as little as possible, because i find it a very useless trait.

so please tell me about my errors in this post.

[Butterbeer]

er? Capital I to begin with ...

(well ya did ask!)

best, BB x

...waits nervously to find what out kind of person i am!

[Nerdanel]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

er? Capital I to begin with ...

(well ya did ask!)

best, BB x

...waits nervously to find what out kind of person i am!

i don't think i'm important enough for that..

[Butterbeer]

*Tickles Hanny* .... course ya are!

... mind, i have NO idea if i want a capital 'I' or not ...

BB x

[azalea]

Well, this is even worse: the newspaper for which my husband used to work (whew! caught that preposition! ) routinely has typos and errors of all kinds. And recently his editor inserted a quote of himself in a story! That was really bad! It was a story about someone at some meeting verbally attacking the paper's position on something. It's a small town paper, though, so it's not AS bad as if it were a large metro paper, but still...

[sun-star]

Do all you grammar people always stick to the preposition rule? I do when I remember because I think it often sounds more elegant, but it always makes me think of that quote: "that is something up with which I will not put"

[crickhollow]

that's terrific...I hadn't heard it before. I don't know whether or not I always stick to that rule, because it doesn't require a conscious effort on my part to remember it. I usually do it unconsciously, but I'm positive that there are time when I forget.