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Arathorn · 04-25-2002, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Blackheart

The evil would then still be "of the author", would it not?

I would say the evil would be "to the author" and not "of the author" as in what he percieves to be evil and not that he is evil.

Blackheart · 04-26-2002, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by Arathorn

I would say the evil would be "to the author" and not "of the author" as in what he percieves to be evil and not that he is evil.

Nay. It is his perceptions that are part of him, which makes it "of him".

Arathorn · 04-26-2002, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by Blackheart

Nay. It is his perceptions that are part of him, which makes it "of him".

Very well. A different model which I now understand. I enjoy the play of words.

Blackheart · 04-26-2002, 02:01 AM

Words are all we've got. make 'em count I say!

Arathorn · 04-26-2002, 02:17 AM

True. Anyway, this "evil" of the author becomes obvious when he's role-playing an evil character or writing about a character speaking. I get it now.

Blackheart · 04-26-2002, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
True. Anyway, this "evil" of the author becomes obvious when he's role-playing an evil character or writing about a character speaking. I get it now.

Aye. For example, he was quite disgusted with over industrialization, and look at how the orcs delight in industry and filth, and technolog that goes wizz bang!

And as for their military structure- heh, I wonder how he felt about the army?

Arathorn · 04-26-2002, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by Blackheart

And as for their military structure- heh, I wonder how he felt about the army?

Not being an expert on military history, I wonder where he got the idea about the singing Rohirrim in battle.

Blackheart · 04-26-2002, 02:38 AM

The Volksungsaga most likely.

Actually, it's not that uncommon.

Going into a battle your're scared sh_tless. Even if you've done it before. Singing often makes as much damned sense as anything else you can do.

TomFoolOfATook · 04-26-2002, 02:21 PM

Tolkien was in the Army in WWI - lost several of his close friends - I dont recall him ever saying that he regretted serving his country ...

Wulažg · 04-26-2002, 04:05 PM

Authors sometimes portray evil characters with the evil inside themselves that they perceive, making it definitely "of them". It depends on the type of person the author is.

Blackheart · 04-26-2002, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by TomFoolOfATook
Tolkien was in the Army in WWI - lost several of his close friends - I dont recall him ever saying that he regretted serving his country ...

Why should he?

But I certainly don't ever remember him sayng he was pleased by the military life. Or that he wasn't scared.

Wulažg · 04-27-2002, 07:03 PM

Prettymuch everybody isn't entirely satisfied with the military. It might be fine, but there is always beauracracy and that pisses people off for some reason.

Blackheart · 04-28-2002, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Wulažg
Prettymuch everybody isn't entirely satisfied with the military. It might be fine, but there is always beauracracy and that pisses people off for some reason.

What? you mean mindlessly doing things for mindless reasons, excpet when it comes to preseving your position?

Hmm- yes, I think we have discovered the true essence of evil! I shall soon start a burro.. a beuro... By gum! I'm even going to make it hard to spell!

BeardofPants · 04-28-2002, 05:54 PM

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By gum! I'm even going to make it hard to spell!

haha! But I'm going to start MY bureaucracy first.... Nyah!

Yes, I'm sure Tolkien was patriotic, but being draughted for the war was not by choice, you HAD to do it. And needless people died, due to poor military tat tics. I'm sure that would have scarred anyone for life, in terms of warfare, and bureaucracy.

Blackheart · 04-29-2002, 11:19 AM

*quiet whisper*

Shell-shocked..... yes I'm afraid so... Thinks he's living in some futuristic world.... he keeps raving about the "damned TV" and "not enough ketchup with his fries". ... .... Yes, I'm afraid it's a terminal case.

Wulažg · 04-29-2002, 04:34 PM

The sarcasm here is thidk ennough to cut with a rusty bayonet

Blackheart · 04-29-2002, 05:08 PM

Saw toothed? That's against the Geneva Convention!

Wulažg · 04-29-2002, 06:45 PM

I'll redo that post...

The sarcasm here is thick enough to cut with a Morgul-knife...

Blackheart · 04-30-2002, 01:28 AM

But... Morgul knives are against the Geneva convention also....

Arathorn · 04-30-2002, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by Blackheart
But... Morgul knives are against the Geneva convention also....

The problem with enforcing the law against such knives is finding the evidence.

04-26-2002, 02:01 AM	#104
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04-26-2002, 02:17 AM	#105
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	True. Anyway, this "evil" of the author becomes obvious when he's role-playing an evil character or writing about a character speaking. I get it now. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-26-2002, 02:38 AM	#108
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	The Volksungsaga most likely. Actually, it's not that uncommon. Going into a battle your're scared sh_tless. Even if you've done it before. Singing often makes as much damned sense as anything else you can do. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-26-2002, 02:21 PM	#109
TomFoolOfATook Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dale Posts: 49	The Army Tolkien was in the Army in WWI - lost several of his close friends - I dont recall him ever saying that he regretted serving his country ... __________________ Pieces of Eight the search for the money tree go cash your freedoms in for gold Pieces of Eight Treasure filled with emphtiness dont let it turn your heart to stone

04-29-2002, 11:19 AM	#115
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	quiet whisper Shell-shocked..... yes I'm afraid so... Thinks he's living in some futuristic world.... he keeps raving about the "damned TV" and "not enough ketchup with his fries". ... .... Yes, I'm afraid it's a terminal case. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-26-2002, 04:05 PM	#110
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	Authors sometimes portray evil characters with the evil inside themselves that they perceive, making it definitely "of them". It depends on the type of person the author is.

04-27-2002, 07:03 PM	#112
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	Prettymuch everybody isn't entirely satisfied with the military. It might be fine, but there is always beauracracy and that pisses people off for some reason.

04-29-2002, 04:34 PM	#116
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	The sarcasm here is thidk ennough to cut with a rusty bayonet

04-29-2002, 05:08 PM	#117
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Saw toothed? That's against the Geneva Convention! __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-29-2002, 06:45 PM	#118
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	I'll redo that post... The sarcasm here is thick enough to cut with a Morgul-knife...

04-30-2002, 01:28 AM	#119
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	But... Morgul knives are against the Geneva convention also.... __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

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