Love Sucks - Page 6

Dussander · 11-04-2002, 11:09 PM

I suppose. you just gotta keep in mind that it is an illusion, so you cant get hurt.

afro-elf · 11-07-2002, 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by azalea
Well if that is the case, it's a grand illusion, ain't it?

I am tempted to start quoting "Styx"

Starr Polish · 11-07-2002, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dussander
I suppose. you just gotta keep in mind that it is an illusion, so you cant get hurt.

Even if it is an illusion, you can't keep yourself from hurting from it if it happens to you.

You can't trigger the hormones/chemicals that cause the reaction to happen (at least not conciously), and you can't keep it from happening either.

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Originally posted by Afro-Elf
Starr where are my cookies?

I ate them all.

WiseWizard · 11-07-2002, 08:10 PM

I think those who are in love are no less than madmen, for how else can you describe one who is in love? The lengths people who are in love go to can often make people wonder what's possessing them.
On another philosophical note, love is a bit like (at least, my vision of) God. Something which you can't see, but which you feel. And when you've got it it empowers you, but when you feel like you're without it, you become weakened.
An agreed upon state of mind.

Ma Uai: Ua Nemti · 11-07-2002, 10:36 PM

I'm with WiseWizard on this one. As their name states, they are indeed wise.

WiseWizard · 11-07-2002, 11:49 PM

Thank you, though you may not want to say that after I tell you that you're correct in addressing me in the plural because it's the voices in my head which tell me such things.
But anyways, I know that love can probably be explained by hormones and pheromones (is that how you spell it?), but nonetheless we do become like madmen and do things we wouldn't normally do.
And just like God, it shows up at the exact moment you're not looking for it.

Starr Polish · 11-07-2002, 11:54 PM

The hard thing is finding out if the other person feels the same way. Really, it is!

It's excrutiatingly painful to be sitting right next to the person you're pining for, and to be listening to him ask you for romantic advice. ARG!!! Why do I do this to myself? Stupid chemicals

I've gotten a little better though. It's taken me awhile to convince myself that it is more than likely that anything I feel while I'm still a teenager is NOT (romantic) love.

mirial · 11-07-2002, 11:56 PM

I've always found the best way to discover if a guy feels the same way about me is to ASK HIM! Sheesh, why be coy about it when you can be honest?

WiseWizard · 11-08-2002, 12:13 AM

I think some people just have an innate fear of that. I believe there have actually been some studies which have shown that shyness can be genetic. So all you shy people out there, you can stop blaming yourselves.
There's also doubt which centers around it all. If you think there's a possibility that the person wouldn't like you, you'll most likely choose the path of fawning rather than flat out asking them and having to face a negative outcome. (sorry, I'm being a psychologist right now). Humans have a tendency to move towards favorable and likeable situations while moving away from painful or negative situations.
Granted there are those who have overcome this and slap fear in the face, but for the most part it's perfectly natural to not be able to say a word to the one you love.
I must say that I still believe love exists in high school, but what's happening is that it's now becoming cool for guys to be the outgoing ones who party and have several girlfriends, and the girls to be dumping them for someone they think is better. So all the few who think that the love they feel for a person is genuine begin to doubt themselves, believe (or want to believe) that they're like everyone else and so think that the love they feel is actually just a fleeting thing.
I think I need to go to the Venting thread for this one.

Starr Polish · 11-08-2002, 12:22 AM

Like I've said before, I believe love in high school is plenty possible, but likely? No, especially not for me. I can't see myself married within the next five years, but who knows?

The strange thing is, while I can't bring myself to tell someone I have romantic interest in him, I am NOT shy, and usually don't have trouble talking casually with him, and luckily it is physically impossible for me to blush. It helps (and hurts...) that I tend to get 'crushes' on people I've been friends with for awhile.

I did let it be known to someone once, and it hurt me horribly. I still wince when I think about it today. The rejection wasn't even harsh, not at all. In fact, I would now consider him to be one of my best friends. I don't like making myself hurt anymore than I already have to, and I don't feel like ruining friendships by revealing romantic feelings, since I'm positive they're not requited.

edit: I've realized that I tend to fawn over my crushes, but I also fawn over my friends, so it's not so noticeable.

Aeryn · 11-08-2002, 10:12 PM

I think some people just have an innate fear of that. I believe there have actually been some studies which have shown that shyness can be genetic. So all you shy people out there, you can stop blaming yourselves.
^wisewizard.

I myself, have noticed shy people have a low self esteem, and guess what? Studies show that is true, who is right?

WiseWizard · 11-11-2002, 02:19 PM

Ummmm...let me get this right. You say that shy people have a low self-esteem, and because studies have shown that this is true it's impossible that shyness is genetic? I believe something is flawed in your logic my friend. Besides, there are several other things besides shyness which contribute to low self esteem.
Starr, you're a great example. You tells us you are NOT shy and yet it's obvious that you do have doubts and low self-esteem when it comes to romantic reltionships.
But as for advice for you, Starr, I'm afraid that I can offer no counsel. You've already set up internal barriers which sound like they're pretty hard to break down, so I'm not going to try.
Besides, I'm trying to convince my friend (the one I explained about before) that even though the girl he liked only wants to be friends, that's no reason to keep being paranoid about her and giving up on the entire friendship because of doubts which have no grounds.

Andúril · 11-12-2002, 05:47 AM

I asked for BoP's number, but she refused to give it to me.

No love there.

***IronParrot*** · 11-12-2002, 09:30 PM

I don't think it's strictly about shyness.

I mean, I have no trouble being a complete flirt and charmer around girls, as long as I'm not interested in them.

Obviously something's wrong there.

Ma Uai: Ua Nemti · 11-12-2002, 09:34 PM

Quote:

I mean, I have no trouble being a complete flirt and charmer around girls, as long as I'm not interested in them.

For some reason I'm the same way. We must be really messed up ofr something.

Miranda · 11-13-2002, 06:30 PM

Love? Its a funny thing to discuss really. Love works on so many different plains. I love my parents and my family, that's one kind of love. I love my best friend dearly, she's like my sister who's always there and we seem to know eachother's thoughts but Romantic love- Never been there and don't think I'll ever go. I suppose you could say I'm too young to be worrying- still in school, not yet away from the nest, whole life ahead of me etc. Besides I'm too choosy. Growing up with fairytales has left me wanting my handsome prince but how many knights in shining armour or Legolas Greenleafs do you know in London? Am I too picky or do you think if I look hard enough he'll turn up? Arghh such a strange world is that of the heart! Mx

Quote:

First they say they want you, oh how they really need you. Finally you find you're out there walking in a storm. When they know they have you, that they really have you, nothing you can do or say, you've got to leave just get away...

BeardofPants · 11-13-2002, 08:18 PM

Argh. Miranda: where does you quote come from? Its bugging the crap out of me!

Quote:

First they say they want you, oh how they really need you. Finally you find you're out there walking in a storm. When they know they have you, that they really have you, nothing you can do or say, you've got to leave just get away...

Aeryn · 11-13-2002, 08:54 PM

Wisewizard, if you were so logic and wise yourself you would notice that that statement wasn't a definitive (?) statement, I asked which one of those studies was correct, MAYBE if you pulled your head out of your...er...lower body cavaty, you would have noticed this.

***IronParrot*** · 11-14-2002, 03:09 AM

Love is like oxygen.
Love is a many-splendoured thing.
Love lifts us up where we belong.
All you need is love

(Now that I think about it, it's kind of like the Force)

Miranda · 11-14-2002, 06:07 AM

Hey BeardofPants its from a song called Love on the Rocks don't know who its by though. I just like the quote. I'm like that- whimsical and full of random song lyrics!!! Tee hee Mx

Quote:

The heart may grieve, or it can burn. The pain will ease, if I can learn. There is no future, there is no past. I live this moment as my last.

11-04-2002, 11:09 PM	#101
Dussander Enting Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 96	I suppose. you just gotta keep in mind that it is an illusion, so you cant get hurt. __________________ The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like the difference between an eggs-and-ham breakfast, the chickens were 'involved', but the pig was 'commited'. - Anonymous In the end, we will not remember the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends - Martin Luther King Jr. Do or do not, there is no 'try'. - Yoda Only the dead have seen the end of war. - Plato In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkeness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not - KJV. John 1:4-5

11-07-2002, 08:10 PM	#104
WiseWizard Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: the darkest region of Mirkwood (and trust me, it's really dark) Posts: 331	I think those who are in love are no less than madmen, for how else can you describe one who is in love? The lengths people who are in love go to can often make people wonder what's possessing them. On another philosophical note, love is a bit like (at least, my vision of) God. Something which you can't see, but which you feel. And when you've got it it empowers you, but when you feel like you're without it, you become weakened. An agreed upon state of mind. __________________ My motto: Heaven doesn't want me and hell's afraid I'll take over. ------------------------------------------------ "Upstage me and I'll crush your kneecaps!" ------------------------------------------------ "It's been a while since I've been 130." -Aaron Reichgott ------------------------------------------------ You know, the world's full of apathy...but I don't care. ------------------------------------------------ "I would've honked, but I might have hit you." -Janaki ------------------------------------------------ "If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have gone to college that year." -Lewis Black ------------------------------------------------ "I have one speed which varies according to my mood." -Kristy Pihl ------------------------------------------------ "When I get a fever, I can hear my mom's voice in my head. But she's alive, not dead, so it's not as exciting." -Anna Crandall ------------------------------------------------ "It doesn't matter what your body type is, as long as you're bloodthirsty." -Rachel Carlson ------------------------------------------------- "My mind is a whirling miasma." -Jeff E. ------------------------------------------------- "I think earth is the Alabama of the universe and we don't even know it." ------------------------------------------------- "You can't just apologize the laziness of my bunnies away." -Taylor S.B. ------------------------------------------------- I'm a sadistic massochist. I'm always happy.

11-07-2002, 10:36 PM	#105
Ma Uai: Ua Nemti Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: We'd tell you but you're all out to get us. Posts: 215	I'm with WiseWizard on this one. As their name states, they are indeed wise. __________________ Pharoah "Vires decusque."

11-07-2002, 11:49 PM	#106
WiseWizard Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: the darkest region of Mirkwood (and trust me, it's really dark) Posts: 331	Thank you, though you may not want to say that after I tell you that you're correct in addressing me in the plural because it's the voices in my head which tell me such things. But anyways, I know that love can probably be explained by hormones and pheromones (is that how you spell it?), but nonetheless we do become like madmen and do things we wouldn't normally do. And just like God, it shows up at the exact moment you're not looking for it. __________________ My motto: Heaven doesn't want me and hell's afraid I'll take over. ------------------------------------------------ "Upstage me and I'll crush your kneecaps!" ------------------------------------------------ "It's been a while since I've been 130." -Aaron Reichgott ------------------------------------------------ You know, the world's full of apathy...but I don't care. ------------------------------------------------ "I would've honked, but I might have hit you." -Janaki ------------------------------------------------ "If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have gone to college that year." -Lewis Black ------------------------------------------------ "I have one speed which varies according to my mood." -Kristy Pihl ------------------------------------------------ "When I get a fever, I can hear my mom's voice in my head. But she's alive, not dead, so it's not as exciting." -Anna Crandall ------------------------------------------------ "It doesn't matter what your body type is, as long as you're bloodthirsty." -Rachel Carlson ------------------------------------------------- "My mind is a whirling miasma." -Jeff E. ------------------------------------------------- "I think earth is the Alabama of the universe and we don't even know it." ------------------------------------------------- "You can't just apologize the laziness of my bunnies away." -Taylor S.B. ------------------------------------------------- I'm a sadistic massochist. I'm always happy.

11-07-2002, 11:54 PM	#107
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	The hard thing is finding out if the other person feels the same way. Really, it is! It's excrutiatingly painful to be sitting right next to the person you're pining for, and to be listening to him ask you for romantic advice. ARG!!! Why do I do this to myself? Stupid chemicals I've gotten a little better though. It's taken me awhile to convince myself that it is more than likely that anything I feel while I'm still a teenager is NOT (romantic) love. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

11-07-2002, 11:56 PM	#108
mirial Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: only in your dreams...or nightmares :) Posts: 93	I've always found the best way to discover if a guy feels the same way about me is to ASK HIM! Sheesh, why be coy about it when you can be honest? __________________ Suogan (Or See-o-gon) Translation. (some of it) Sleep, my baby, on my bosom, Warm and cozy, it will prove, Round thee mother’s arms are folding, In her heart a mother’s love. There shall no one come to harm thee, Naught shall ever break thy rest; Sleep, my darling babe, in quiet, Sleep on mother’s gentle breast. Sleep serenely, baby, slumber, Lovely baby, gently sleep; Tell me wherefore art thou smiling, Smiling sweetly in thy sleep? Do the angels smile in heaven When thy happy smile they see? Dost thou on them smile while slumb’ring On my bosom peacefully.

11-08-2002, 12:13 AM	#109
WiseWizard Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: the darkest region of Mirkwood (and trust me, it's really dark) Posts: 331	I think some people just have an innate fear of that. I believe there have actually been some studies which have shown that shyness can be genetic. So all you shy people out there, you can stop blaming yourselves. There's also doubt which centers around it all. If you think there's a possibility that the person wouldn't like you, you'll most likely choose the path of fawning rather than flat out asking them and having to face a negative outcome. (sorry, I'm being a psychologist right now). Humans have a tendency to move towards favorable and likeable situations while moving away from painful or negative situations. Granted there are those who have overcome this and slap fear in the face, but for the most part it's perfectly natural to not be able to say a word to the one you love. I must say that I still believe love exists in high school, but what's happening is that it's now becoming cool for guys to be the outgoing ones who party and have several girlfriends, and the girls to be dumping them for someone they think is better. So all the few who think that the love they feel for a person is genuine begin to doubt themselves, believe (or want to believe) that they're like everyone else and so think that the love they feel is actually just a fleeting thing. I think I need to go to the Venting thread for this one. __________________ My motto: Heaven doesn't want me and hell's afraid I'll take over. ------------------------------------------------ "Upstage me and I'll crush your kneecaps!" ------------------------------------------------ "It's been a while since I've been 130." -Aaron Reichgott ------------------------------------------------ You know, the world's full of apathy...but I don't care. ------------------------------------------------ "I would've honked, but I might have hit you." -Janaki ------------------------------------------------ "If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have gone to college that year." -Lewis Black ------------------------------------------------ "I have one speed which varies according to my mood." -Kristy Pihl ------------------------------------------------ "When I get a fever, I can hear my mom's voice in my head. But she's alive, not dead, so it's not as exciting." -Anna Crandall ------------------------------------------------ "It doesn't matter what your body type is, as long as you're bloodthirsty." -Rachel Carlson ------------------------------------------------- "My mind is a whirling miasma." -Jeff E. ------------------------------------------------- "I think earth is the Alabama of the universe and we don't even know it." ------------------------------------------------- "You can't just apologize the laziness of my bunnies away." -Taylor S.B. ------------------------------------------------- I'm a sadistic massochist. I'm always happy.

11-08-2002, 12:22 AM	#110
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Like I've said before, I believe love in high school is plenty possible, but likely? No, especially not for me. I can't see myself married within the next five years, but who knows? The strange thing is, while I can't bring myself to tell someone I have romantic interest in him, I am NOT shy, and usually don't have trouble talking casually with him, and luckily it is physically impossible for me to blush. It helps (and hurts...) that I tend to get 'crushes' on people I've been friends with for awhile. I did let it be known to someone once, and it hurt me horribly. I still wince when I think about it today. The rejection wasn't even harsh, not at all. In fact, I would now consider him to be one of my best friends. I don't like making myself hurt anymore than I already have to, and I don't feel like ruining friendships by revealing romantic feelings, since I'm positive they're not requited. edit: I've realized that I tend to fawn over my crushes, but I also fawn over my friends, so it's not so noticeable. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

11-08-2002, 10:12 PM	#111
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	I think some people just have an innate fear of that. I believe there have actually been some studies which have shown that shyness can be genetic. So all you shy people out there, you can stop blaming yourselves. ^wisewizard. I myself, have noticed shy people have a low self esteem, and guess what? Studies show that is true, who is right? __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

11-11-2002, 02:19 PM	#112
WiseWizard Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: the darkest region of Mirkwood (and trust me, it's really dark) Posts: 331	Ummmm...let me get this right. You say that shy people have a low self-esteem, and because studies have shown that this is true it's impossible that shyness is genetic? I believe something is flawed in your logic my friend. Besides, there are several other things besides shyness which contribute to low self esteem. Starr, you're a great example. You tells us you are NOT shy and yet it's obvious that you do have doubts and low self-esteem when it comes to romantic reltionships. But as for advice for you, Starr, I'm afraid that I can offer no counsel. You've already set up internal barriers which sound like they're pretty hard to break down, so I'm not going to try. Besides, I'm trying to convince my friend (the one I explained about before) that even though the girl he liked only wants to be friends, that's no reason to keep being paranoid about her and giving up on the entire friendship because of doubts which have no grounds. __________________ My motto: Heaven doesn't want me and hell's afraid I'll take over. ------------------------------------------------ "Upstage me and I'll crush your kneecaps!" ------------------------------------------------ "It's been a while since I've been 130." -Aaron Reichgott ------------------------------------------------ You know, the world's full of apathy...but I don't care. ------------------------------------------------ "I would've honked, but I might have hit you." -Janaki ------------------------------------------------ "If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have gone to college that year." -Lewis Black ------------------------------------------------ "I have one speed which varies according to my mood." -Kristy Pihl ------------------------------------------------ "When I get a fever, I can hear my mom's voice in my head. But she's alive, not dead, so it's not as exciting." -Anna Crandall ------------------------------------------------ "It doesn't matter what your body type is, as long as you're bloodthirsty." -Rachel Carlson ------------------------------------------------- "My mind is a whirling miasma." -Jeff E. ------------------------------------------------- "I think earth is the Alabama of the universe and we don't even know it." ------------------------------------------------- "You can't just apologize the laziness of my bunnies away." -Taylor S.B. ------------------------------------------------- I'm a sadistic massochist. I'm always happy.

11-12-2002, 05:47 AM	#113
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	I asked for BoP's number, but she refused to give it to me. No love there.

11-12-2002, 09:30 PM	#114
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	I don't think it's strictly about shyness. I mean, I have no trouble being a complete flirt and charmer around girls, as long as I'm not interested in them. Obviously something's wrong there. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

11-13-2002, 08:54 PM	#118
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	Wisewizard, if you were so logic and wise yourself you would notice that that statement wasn't a definitive (?) statement, I asked which one of those studies was correct, MAYBE if you pulled your head out of your...er...lower body cavaty, you would have noticed this. __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

11-14-2002, 03:09 AM	#119
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Love is like oxygen. Love is a many-splendoured thing. Love lifts us up where we belong. All you need is love (Now that I think about it, it's kind of like the Force) __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

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