Sam finding Frodo - Page 6

TinuvielChild · 03-29-2002, 10:06 PM

do you know something i don't, bropous? well duh obviously you do. please elaborate!!!!!

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-30-2002, 03:33 AM

Well, I have seen the trailer, and I still haven't forgotten the song.

spoilers! spoilers ahead!

I take it, bropous, that you have a problem with one or more (probably all) of the following:
~Arwen being in the movie, with a much expanded role, and at Helm's Deep, etc.
~Eowyn having an expanded role, with that (cliched) sword-fighting thing with Aragorn
~Galadriel being in the movie
~Elves showing up at Helm's Deep to fight. Elves plural, from Lothlorien or Rivendell...
~Elrond showing up in the movie
~Any variety of other things that stray from the book

Well, the only thing I have a BIG problem with on that list is Elves at Helm's Deep and even that doesn't make me all that mad, just annoyed. . .

But I'm assuming a lot right here. Do tell me if I'm wrong!

Arathorn · 03-30-2002, 09:31 AM

bropous sent me a pm about the trailer just as I requested. Thanks bro. From what I can surmise, it looks like he got blown away.

Midgardsormen · 03-30-2002, 09:50 AM

Just a short comment!!
I did not expect many songs in the movie version, but some of them are just so appropriate!!
If Sam does not sing, why should the Orc go up and start whipping Frodo?? I think he should at least be humming or something!!
But as we saw in the first movie, it is not beyond PJ to change it quite a bit!!
As for Frodo being naked, what is the fuss?? Wearing a loin cloth will just look silly!! If you read the book, it is quite dark with only a red light in the room. I can envision Frodo lying curled on his side trying to protect himself with the Orc standing over him....we only see him from a distance, and then we see him from the waist up in close-up!! Sam fights off the Orc, rushes over to Frodo and hugs him while putting his cape around him....nothing to worry about. I am sure PJ will not have him walking around without a stitch on even though he does in the book. You can show a lot of skin, and get across how terrible it must have been for Frodo to be stripped, without showing certain parts!!

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-30-2002, 02:45 PM

That is true, Midgardsormen. Welcome to the moot

Midgardsormen · 03-30-2002, 08:34 PM

Thank you Eruviel!!
I am sure I will have a most enjoyable time here!! After all, where else can we go when family and friends sigh at the least mention of ANYTHING to do with Tolkien?? Of course I have to share the computer with hubby and son, so I do not always get as much time as I would like...but probably more time than is good for me, especially during the holidays

TinuvielChild · 03-30-2002, 08:56 PM

oh, you'll become addicted soon enough, just like the rest of us Mooters..and we don't mind being addicted, do we preciouss?? no, it's our friends and families that mind, yes precious. they're silly hobbitsess, not to obsess over the great works of Prof. T.

oh, and before you ask, Midgardsormen, "EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO" stands for "Extremely insightful and deeply reflective individuals of rare character and quality who share a deep and abiding knowledge of literary masterworks of extreme detail and delightful creativity, without whom the incredible works of a tremendously talented Oxford professor would fade into obscurity", and it was originated by bropous. Welcome to the Moot!

Pip · 04-01-2002, 07:08 PM

I honestly don't know what they'll do. My guess is that if Sam doesn't end up singing he'll end up tripping or falling or something to back a rather noticable sound.

bropous · 04-01-2002, 11:18 PM

I think someone posted on another thread that they had seen Sam singing at the end of the clip they had seen, but I'm not so sure that New Line released different versions of the clip.

What I meant was, in the clip, the haunting poem that Theoden recites would make you forget whether Sam sings his song; it is that good. "There is the rider...and the horse.......there is the arm....and the spear.........there is the rain...on the mountains.......there is the wind....on the meadows.....". Wow. It was sooooo cool.

And no, I had not the problems with Arwen or the Elves or Elrond or Galadriel being in the film, Eruviel, I think you might have me confused with someone else.

Welcome to the Moot, Midgardsormen!

Tanoliel · 04-02-2002, 12:41 AM

But see, bropous, Sam's singing is in the ROTK movie (because Shelob is, *sob*, so since it's after that...)
So I can be totally hyper about TT and STILL be worrying about Sam in ROTK. *sigh* I know...I'm weird that way.

-tano

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-02-2002, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bropous
And no, I had not the problems with Arwen or the Elves or Elrond or Galadriel being in the film, Eruviel, I think you might have me confused with someone else.

My apologies for misinterpreting your words, bropous. I was probably rather tired when I wrote that, and I have seen from your other posts that you really were quite impressed by the trailer, just as I was. And that poem. . .wow. Again, I am sorry I did not interpret your post the way you meant it. I hadn't seen your thread about reactions to the trailer when I wrote that, and since we were talking about going after PJ. . .well, anyway, I was wrong. Obviously.

Argh! Must see that trailer again!!!!

Arathorn · 04-02-2002, 02:20 AM

I managed to download the file whose link Goatee posted. Though it was too dark for me to see the details and flickers due to framerate issues, I saw and heard Theoden and his poem. It was great!

I sure liked that shot of Eowyn just before she spars with Aragorn. Mmmmm...

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-02-2002, 03:57 AM

Yes, that is a nice shot of her, Arathorn. Good you managed to see part of the trailer at all. . .

arenya · 04-03-2002, 12:34 PM

does anyone have the words to the poem that theoden recites in the trailer? or knows a link where i can find them?

all i want to see in the tower scene is an emotional performance from master samwise!

Elf Girl · 04-03-2002, 08:58 PM

To get back to the original topic, we will will Sam's song to be in it, so it will.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-03-2002, 11:24 PM

Thus we have spoken, so let it be done.

There, the song will be in

Tanoliel · 04-05-2002, 12:15 AM

Riiiight...
Thus the Moot has spoken, and the Moot's will is done.

You really need to see it in the theatre, Arathorn...it's way worth it.
-tano

Arathorn · 04-05-2002, 12:25 AM

But I was able to capture and make into my wallpaper that really, really, cute look on her face. Mmmmm..

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-05-2002, 02:06 AM

From which shot of her, Arathorn? . . .just wondering. . .

Lanelf · 04-06-2002, 10:16 PM

I don't believe they're leaving Shelob till ROTK. Since when did filmmakers lose the chance for a cliffhanger?!?
__________
A small cute frog shakes his head and sighs.

03-29-2002, 10:06 PM	#101
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	do you know something i don't, bropous? well duh obviously you do. please elaborate!!!!! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

03-30-2002, 03:33 AM	#102
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Well, I have seen the trailer, and I still haven't forgotten the song. spoilers! spoilers ahead! I take it, bropous, that you have a problem with one or more (probably all) of the following: ~Arwen being in the movie, with a much expanded role, and at Helm's Deep, etc. ~Eowyn having an expanded role, with that (cliched) sword-fighting thing with Aragorn ~Galadriel being in the movie ~Elves showing up at Helm's Deep to fight. Elves plural, from Lothlorien or Rivendell... ~Elrond showing up in the movie ~Any variety of other things that stray from the book Well, the only thing I have a BIG problem with on that list is Elves at Helm's Deep and even that doesn't make me all that mad, just annoyed. . . But I'm assuming a lot right here. Do tell me if I'm wrong! __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-30-2002, 09:31 AM	#103
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	bropous sent me a pm about the trailer just as I requested. Thanks bro. From what I can surmise, it looks like he got blown away. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-30-2002, 09:50 AM	#104
Midgardsormen Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 30	Just a short comment!! I did not expect many songs in the movie version, but some of them are just so appropriate!! If Sam does not sing, why should the Orc go up and start whipping Frodo?? I think he should at least be humming or something!! But as we saw in the first movie, it is not beyond PJ to change it quite a bit!! As for Frodo being naked, what is the fuss?? Wearing a loin cloth will just look silly!! If you read the book, it is quite dark with only a red light in the room. I can envision Frodo lying curled on his side trying to protect himself with the Orc standing over him....we only see him from a distance, and then we see him from the waist up in close-up!! Sam fights off the Orc, rushes over to Frodo and hugs him while putting his cape around him....nothing to worry about. I am sure PJ will not have him walking around without a stitch on even though he does in the book. You can show a lot of skin, and get across how terrible it must have been for Frodo to be stripped, without showing certain parts!! __________________ Midgardsormen

03-30-2002, 02:45 PM	#105
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	That is true, Midgardsormen. Welcome to the moot __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-30-2002, 08:34 PM	#106
Midgardsormen Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 30	Thank you Eruviel!! I am sure I will have a most enjoyable time here!! After all, where else can we go when family and friends sigh at the least mention of ANYTHING to do with Tolkien?? Of course I have to share the computer with hubby and son, so I do not always get as much time as I would like...but probably more time than is good for me, especially during the holidays __________________ Midgardsormen

03-30-2002, 08:56 PM	#107
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	oh, you'll become addicted soon enough, just like the rest of us Mooters..and we don't mind being addicted, do we preciouss?? no, it's our friends and families that mind, yes precious. they're silly hobbitsess, not to obsess over the great works of Prof. T. oh, and before you ask, Midgardsormen, "EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO" stands for "Extremely insightful and deeply reflective individuals of rare character and quality who share a deep and abiding knowledge of literary masterworks of extreme detail and delightful creativity, without whom the incredible works of a tremendously talented Oxford professor would fade into obscurity", and it was originated by bropous. Welcome to the Moot! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-01-2002, 07:08 PM	#108
Pip Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tuckburough Posts: 258	I honestly don't know what they'll do. My guess is that if Sam doesn't end up singing he'll end up tripping or falling or something to back a rather noticable sound.

04-01-2002, 11:18 PM	#109
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	I think someone posted on another thread that they had seen Sam singing at the end of the clip they had seen, but I'm not so sure that New Line released different versions of the clip. What I meant was, in the clip, the haunting poem that Theoden recites would make you forget whether Sam sings his song; it is that good. "There is the rider...and the horse.......there is the arm....and the spear.........there is the rain...on the mountains.......there is the wind....on the meadows.....". Wow. It was sooooo cool. And no, I had not the problems with Arwen or the Elves or Elrond or Galadriel being in the film, Eruviel, I think you might have me confused with someone else. Welcome to the Moot, Midgardsormen! __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

04-02-2002, 12:41 AM	#110
Tanoliel Eccentric Chocolate Crow Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Emerald City--Seattle, WA Posts: 1,861	But see, bropous, Sam's singing is in the ROTK movie (because Shelob is, sob, so since it's after that...) So I can be totally hyper about TT and STILL be worrying about Sam in ROTK. sigh I know...I'm weird that way. -tano __________________ Wisdom for Short Attention Spans...Ozy and Millie. It rocks. Food Of The Gods: 3,7-dihydro-3,7-dimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione Feed Me.... Another Online Dwelling Place... "All right, I confess. It is my intention to comandeer a ship, pick up a crew in Tortuga, to rape, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out." -Captain Jack Sparrow "The trouble with unknown enemies is that they are so difficult to identify." -Amelia Peabody Emerson "Most people obey the orders of someone who is pointing a gun at their head." -A.P. Emerson

04-02-2002, 02:20 AM	#112
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I managed to download the file whose link Goatee posted. Though it was too dark for me to see the details and flickers due to framerate issues, I saw and heard Theoden and his poem. It was great! I sure liked that shot of Eowyn just before she spars with Aragorn. Mmmmm... __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-02-2002, 03:57 AM	#113
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Yes, that is a nice shot of her, Arathorn. Good you managed to see part of the trailer at all. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

04-03-2002, 12:34 PM	#114
arenya Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA, but i wish i lived in Rivendell Posts: 17	does anyone have the words to the poem that theoden recites in the trailer? or knows a link where i can find them? all i want to see in the tower scene is an emotional performance from master samwise! __________________ "By Elbereth and Luthien the Fair," said Frodo with a last effort, lifting up his sword, "you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" "I sit beside the fire and think/of people long ago,/ and people who will see a world/ that I shall never know./ But all the while I sit and think/of times there were before,/ I listen for returning feet/ and voices at the door." -Bilbo

04-03-2002, 08:58 PM	#115
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	To get back to the original topic, we will will Sam's song to be in it, so it will. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium... Last edited by Elf Girl : 01-19-2004 at 04:39 PM.

04-03-2002, 11:24 PM	#116
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Thus we have spoken, so let it be done. There, the song will be in __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

04-05-2002, 12:15 AM	#117
Tanoliel Eccentric Chocolate Crow Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Emerald City--Seattle, WA Posts: 1,861	Riiiight... Thus the Moot has spoken, and the Moot's will is done. You really need to see it in the theatre, Arathorn...it's way worth it. -tano __________________ Wisdom for Short Attention Spans...Ozy and Millie. It rocks. Food Of The Gods: 3,7-dihydro-3,7-dimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione Feed Me.... Another Online Dwelling Place... "All right, I confess. It is my intention to comandeer a ship, pick up a crew in Tortuga, to rape, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out." -Captain Jack Sparrow "The trouble with unknown enemies is that they are so difficult to identify." -Amelia Peabody Emerson "Most people obey the orders of someone who is pointing a gun at their head." -A.P. Emerson

04-05-2002, 12:25 AM	#118
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	But I was able to capture and make into my wallpaper that really, really, cute look on her face. Mmmmm.. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-05-2002, 02:06 AM	#119
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	From which shot of her, Arathorn? . . .just wondering. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

04-06-2002, 10:16 PM	#120
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	I don't believe they're leaving Shelob till ROTK. Since when did filmmakers lose the chance for a cliffhanger?!? __________ A small cute frog shakes his head and sighs.

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