Saddest Moment In Tolkien - Page 6

Kellquenti · 01-21-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenya

I did not know he had twin sons, or maybe I did and just couldn't remember. But in any case it is interesting to know (the burning thing I mean). That changes things a bit, but I remember from the whole oath swearing thing that they didn't exactly hesitate to do it.

Lenya, Thanks for your reply. Feanor had twin sons ,the last to be born of the seven, Amrod and Amras. I read the bit about the burning in the book 'Tolkien's, the Peoples of Middle Earth'. (no 12).
The reference is on pages 354 & 355.
As for not hesitating to swear the oath, Feanor was an excellent speaker and pesuader. He probably wound them up so much at the time they just did it!!
Then regretted it later!!

Lenya · 01-22-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kellquenti

Lenya, Thanks for your reply. Feanor had twin sons ,the last to be born of the seven, Amrod and Amras. I read the bit about the burning in the book 'Tolkien's, the Peoples of Middle Earth'. (no 12).
The reference is on pages 354 & 355.

Remember them, didn't know they were twins.

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As for not hesitating to swear the oath, Feanor was an excellent speaker and pesuader. He probably wound them up so much at the time they just did it!!

That isn't really the kind of thing a loving father would do, but then again it meant a lot to him.

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Then regretted it later!!

Totally.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 01-22-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenya

That isn't really the kind of thing a loving father would do, but then again it meant a lot to him.

Loving father? I thought you were talking about Fëanor!

Lenya · 01-22-2005, 06:33 PM

I was being sarcastic - I don't like Feanor.

Kellquenti · 01-22-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenya

I was being sarcastic - I don't like Feanor.

I still defend all of the Feanorians!

, yet I can understand where those of you don't. Sorry, I stand to be different!

Perhaps that's 'cos I'm as obsessed as the rest of the Feanorians

Am I alone? or are there other supporters of the house of feanor!!?

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-22-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kellquenti

I still defend all of the Feanorians!

, yet I can understand where those of you don't. Sorry, I stand to be different!

Perhaps that's 'cos I'm as obsessed as the rest of the Feanorians

Am I alone? or are there other supporters of the house of feanor!!?

saddest moment?

feanor's birth!

Lenya · 01-22-2005, 07:05 PM

Ha Ha!

Kellquenti · 01-22-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

saddest moment?

feanor's birth!

That is so wicked

!!! May all your spiderlings be sort of nice

Don't care Istill love the Feanorians

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-22-2005, 07:13 PM

ok, true saddest moment - destruction of the entwives has to rank high up somewhere.

on a side note, what happens to ents and entwives when they die, do their spirits go to the gardens of Irmo in Aman?

Lenya · 01-22-2005, 07:19 PM

That might be a good assumption, I don't know.

Kellquenti · 01-22-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

ok, true saddest moment - destruction of the entwives has to rank high up somewhere.

on a side note, what happens to ents and entwives when they die, do their spirits go to the gardens of Irmo in Aman?

We agree somewhere

Perhaps Yavanna holds their spirits like Mandos does untill she thinks it's right to send them back?

Este of Lorien · 04-18-2005, 05:33 PM

Saddest moment? It's so difficult to choose. Some ideas:
-the destroying of the two Trees
-Feanor becoming evil
-the fall of Gondolin
-Turin killing Beleg
-Fingon and Finrod's death
-what happend to Maedhros and Maglor after they ragained the silmarils
-the story of Aegnor and Andreth
....stop me, please!

Este of Lorien · 04-18-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kellquenti

I still defend all of the Feanorians!

, yet I can understand where those of you don't. Sorry, I stand to be different!

Perhaps that's 'cos I'm as obsessed as the rest of the Feanorians

Am I alone? or are there other supporters of the house of feanor!!?

You're not alone

Lenya · 04-22-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Este of Lorien

Saddest moment? It's so difficult to choose. Some ideas:
-the destroying of the two Trees
-Feanor becoming evil
-the fall of Gondolin
-Turin killing Beleg
-Fingon and Finrod's death
-what happend to Maedhros and Maglor after they ragained the silmarils
-the story of Aegnor and Andreth
....stop me, please!

Turin killing Beleg is my saddest moment. And Turin's whole life is very sad, but that's not one moment.

Lotesse · 05-01-2005, 10:44 PM

In RotK in the book when Sam finds Frodo on a heap of rags all out of it and covered in whip-welts; in RotK the movie, when Sam's trying to cheer Frodo up a little by mentioning strawberries and the party tree, and Frodo can't remember anything familiar or comforting anymore..."I'm naked in the dark" etc. Both those moments had me crying a little bit.

Beregond · 06-12-2005, 01:21 PM

I think the saddest moment would have to be when The hobbits have to leae Aragorn in Gondor at thhe end of the ROTK.

Lenya · 06-13-2005, 12:28 PM

Oh I just remembered a very sad moment in LotR. Where Sam and Frodo are already in Mordor and Sam whatches over the sleepng Frodo. He looks up and sees one star shinging in the sky and he gets new hope for the world, even though they were sure to fail. The way Tolkien wrote it was just lovely. Very striking piece.

EarthBound · 06-16-2005, 07:26 AM

That's easy, the part that always makes me cry (the book, not the movie) is of course the end of things....when Frodo, Gandalf, & the last of the elves sails away and the three (3) companions travel home together.....breaks my heart….I’m only slightly ever consoled by the idea that Sam left to join him at the end of his days…..Tolkien does a good job of suggesting it, at least. Also, when Aragorn takes death and leaves the Queen to wander back to that mound in the forest to die…..Major Gut Wretch…..

Lenya · 06-17-2005, 03:23 PM

Ah yes. One forgets a lot of the things - a sign that I've read the book way too long ago. The way Arwen dies has quite a way of touching the heart. I really felt sorry for her.

EarthBound · 06-22-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenya

Ah yes. One forgets a lot of the things - a sign that I've read the book way too long ago. The way Arwen dies has quite a way of touching the heart. I really felt sorry for her.

It seems much worse to me because Aragorn chose to die and leave her for 'political' reasons not just the health....still, I didn't like that he left her (died) but it does make the story more tragic and romantic....sigh

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EarthBound Lady Tipple & Queen of Blessed Thistle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: I've been told it's all in my head Posts: 916	That's easy, the part that always makes me cry (the book, not the movie) is of course the end of things....when Frodo, Gandalf, & the last of the elves sails away and the three (3) companions travel home together.....breaks my heart….I’m only slightly ever consoled by the idea that Sam left to join him at the end of his days…..Tolkien does a good job of suggesting it, at least. Also, when Aragorn takes death and leaves the Queen to wander back to that mound in the forest to die…..Major Gut Wretch….. __________________ Beer + Pizza = N'uff said Happy to be here The HACBR has been alerted to my postings…..Hobbits Against Constant Beer References Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Ben Franklin I want my Mooter T-Shirt!

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Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	I was being sarcastic - I don't like Feanor.

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Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Ha Ha!

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Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	ok, true saddest moment - destruction of the entwives has to rank high up somewhere. on a side note, what happens to ents and entwives when they die, do their spirits go to the gardens of Irmo in Aman?

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Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	That might be a good assumption, I don't know.

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Este of Lorien Sapling Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lorien Posts: 12	Saddest moment? It's so difficult to choose. Some ideas: -the destroying of the two Trees -Feanor becoming evil -the fall of Gondolin -Turin killing Beleg -Fingon and Finrod's death -what happend to Maedhros and Maglor after they ragained the silmarils -the story of Aegnor and Andreth ....stop me, please!

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Beregond Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: England Posts: 28	I think the saddest moment would have to be when The hobbits have to leae Aragorn in Gondor at thhe end of the ROTK.

06-13-2005, 12:28 PM	#117
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Oh I just remembered a very sad moment in LotR. Where Sam and Frodo are already in Mordor and Sam whatches over the sleepng Frodo. He looks up and sees one star shinging in the sky and he gets new hope for the world, even though they were sure to fail. The way Tolkien wrote it was just lovely. Very striking piece.

06-17-2005, 03:23 PM	#119
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Ah yes. One forgets a lot of the things - a sign that I've read the book way too long ago. The way Arwen dies has quite a way of touching the heart. I really felt sorry for her.