06-04-2004, 01:02 PM | #101 |
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Tell me if I'm way off base here...but is someone implying that the U.S.A. or soldiers from the U.S.A are the only ones torturing anyone? Maybe in recent months but in history period? They have and are in the process of discipling the ones involved in recent doings. There is torture happening all over the world, in war situations and others. The U.S.A. is NOT the only one to ever be involved in tortures.
It's as if some people would have the U.S. stay out of things until it suits them. As in when they NEED the help. Which eventually always tends to happen. So why not step in before a lot of innocent people get hurt or killed? If things were left alone by us in the current conditions, it would have just been more to deal with later. I say nip it in the bud before it grows thorns. |
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As for both sides killing human beings - the Allies were not putting millions of people - men, women and children - into gas chambers - that's the difference.
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By the way - it's really sad to find out what so many Europeans on Entmoot think of America's role in World War II during this week which is the 60th anniversary of D-Day. I wonder - could that operation have succeeded without us? HELL NO! Some appreciation we get for all of our soldiers who died in World War I and World War II on EUROPEAN soil fighting a EUROPEAN war.
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As for internment of Japanese-Americans, yes - that was a bit of paranoid over-reaction, but their was no intent to really be cruel to them... it stemmed from fear. Pearl Harbor was well outside the Japanese sphere of influence, and we thought it was also well outside their range of attack. When they attacked as they did - with that kind of sudden-ness and effectiveness, Americans at the time truly feared they'd be showing up to invade the coasts of California in a few weeks. We were afraid they'd get a lot of help from Japanese immigrants. In retrospect, there's no way Japan could have mounted any effective assault on our mainland... but like I say, people were doing a 'knee-jerk' at the time. Pearl Harbor was a big wake-up call - and we got up swinging. Oh - and JD, I think Ragnarok is an American, not European. Not to start trouble for you Ragnarok - many young people in our country are not sympathetic to the US... but I do ask you to keep an open mind about us. As a nation, I truly think we've always tried to do what is best... though I'm sure we've gotten it wrong a few times in making the attempt.
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Of course I know Europe loves to appease - as I have said many times. They have the attitude - you ignore it and it'll eventually go away. Why take action, why not just deal with it once it completely blows up in our face? That seems to be the European way. Well - at least some of their governments do see the need to change the middle east and work with us on Iraq - even if the people don't. Seems sort of funny - what Fenir and Radagast are saying about what the US should have done during World War II - by getting militarily involved with out public support - seems to be the same thing they are now bitching about their own countries doing.
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The Russian army was no match for the German forces. I think Stalin knew that the only way to win was to stretch the battle out for miles and miles... and wait for one of those winters like Napoleon got. It worked.
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I didn't include Stalin in that post, I used it as an example after you accused me of saying that no one was speaking out against Hitler, which I never said. It is my opinion that killing people on both sides and labeling one side as a war crimminal for killing is ironic. Its my opinion and quite frankly you aren't going to change it. |
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I wasn't misrepresenting the facts, I said only those who were charged as war criminals were confined to the Axis Powers, meaning none of the allied powers were charged with crimes. I never said everyone who belonged to the axis power was charged as a war criminals. |
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So know - the allies should NOT have been brought before a war crimes tribunal - because they did not commit the crimes that the German's had. I can not believe you can possibly compare the allies fighting Hitler - to the what Hitler was doing. As for your comments about the war crimes and this is what you have been saying all along - fine. It's not what you started out saying - you have narrowed down your opinions as I have continued to post - so fine. I still disagree with your corrent opinion on war crimes.
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I think, Jerseydevil, that you should amend your statement to 'war crimes of Germany's scale did not exist before WWII' because it is foolish and narrow minded in the extreme to say that they did not exist before 1939.
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It sounds like you're saying that war is a crime in itself, but I don't think it is viewed that way. War is unfortunate but often necessary to accomplish a greater good and establish security. What I would define as a war crime, would be the malitious intentional slaughtering of inocent civilians. There are always inocent perople that die in war, because that is part of war, but to hunt down or intentionally target innocent people is criminal.
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