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Also, there is a degree to which such studies are inherently biased in any case... which is that homosexual couples know they cannot be married, and that creates a different psychological state from a heterosexual couple that knows marriage is a real possibility. Such a psychological state would be likely to include a lesser committment to the relationship, with lower stakes attached. But that is speculation. I also did see one study that said (as of 1995) Denmark had had gay marriage/partnership for 6 years and only 5% of gays had married, and 28% of those had ended in death or divorce in those 6 years. Which given the divorce rate in Scandinavian countries overall is higher than 28... (I will reGoogle and find the precise citation for the study if you wish... I don't have it at the moment).
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The arguments I hear as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed, they sort of remind me of how people debated women's right to vote a hundred years ago. I mean, surely statistics show that women vote a bit differently than men but should that matter at all? Just an analogy.
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yes well i personally knew Sporus, the young boy that Nero had castrated, and then married him, so I am also fairly old by the years of men.
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03-20-2005, 07:35 PM | #113 | |
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As for what changes - it is ONLY through a collective change in society concenring a moral issue that will get a law change. A law will not be changed as long as society still accepts that moral standard. I do feel that eventually gays will be allowed to marry - but society has not come to a collective decision on that. Moral issues change slowly and first right now people support civil unions - but not marriage.
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Lizards and apes are simply another step down the line. Perhaps another generation. Perhaps not. I think a legal mess is already in store for us if we extend the marriage laws to homosexuals, simply because their relationships are not the same as heterosexual relationships. Different relationships, as I already pointed out with my menagerie examples, require different laws. The same goes for humans. Female and male humans do have distinct differences from one another. One cannot replace a female with a male or a male with a female without creating a different type of relationship. These relationships must be treated differently from heterosexual relationships unless the evidence in favor of their being the same as heterosexual relationships outweighs the evidence against. It's going to end up a very messy business, on the legal front.
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As for polygamy, the state has already been determined to have a compelling interest to prevent it (this was decided in the latter half of the 19th century regarding Mormonism). So I doubt very much if lizards, apes, or even polygamy are in the future for marriage.
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