10-25-2002, 01:03 AM | #101 | |
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10-25-2002, 05:38 AM | #102 |
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To say that women should take the lead in raising kids is very stupid. If i hadnt had my dad i would have someone to teach me footie, the fine art of the pub conversation and i would never of had decent meals because god bless my mum shes is serervlt limited as a chef
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10-25-2002, 07:51 AM | #104 |
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Interesting to hear what people think about raising kids. If bringing up kids is a woman's job then it's largely a learned behaviour. I split from my wife when my son was 2, and had to learn it from scratch. I hadn't any of that cultural priming. However, it is possible and really, really rewarding.
Oh and another thing. This idea also produces men who miss out on important aspects of the most amazing experience you can have in life. They may not know it but it's true, and tragic. On the other hand, as long as we believe that child-rearing is "women's work" then, surprise surprise, we'll produce men who are capable of abandoning their responsibilities. Of course, that's no excuse, and I too have boundless admiration for the single (mostly) women who raise families on their own. However, things are changing. I know quite a few men who now do most of the childcare while their partner does most of the earning. Which answers one of my complaints against feminism: I'm all for equality in the workplace, but what about in the not-work place? Having been through a divorce, the entire presumption throughout (by all parties: my ex, both families, lawyers, the courts, legal precedent) was that my wife could sit around on her arse while I went out to work. Why can't she enjoy the privilege of slogging her guts out at a job that she hates so that I can sit at home sipping coffee and playing with my son? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about that... Last edited by Dunadan : 10-25-2002 at 07:53 AM. |
10-25-2002, 11:19 AM | #105 |
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I think she should Dunadan, You rock too! If I could figure out a way to make enough money, I would love to let my husband stay home and be with our young boy. He drives me crazy!
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10-25-2002, 04:11 PM | #106 |
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I happen to agree with Mirial, and I was raised largely by my father.
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10-25-2002, 08:16 PM | #107 |
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Way to go, Dunadan, it's great that you're raising your son! If anything happened to my mom, I don't think my dad and I would survive. ^_^;; Not that I have that long left to be 'raised', but it would still be tough. Not to say that my dad doesn't love me, he does, and we get along, just not in the 'parental' aspect of things. I admire single dads.
Dads should get more time with their kids, but such is the cycle of society, I guess. I plan to be a stay at home mom, but that's after I've had a career in order to contribute to the nest egg.
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10-25-2002, 11:01 PM | #109 |
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Dunedan, in that case I think whoever has the higher earning potential should be the "earner." The other should, in fairness, try to get a part time job or some such to bring in extra money. But I think it is noble that a person would care about their child's well-being so much that they would do the breadwinning so that the child could be at home with a parent during the day. I know of situations where the other parent won't allow that situation and insists that the "custodial" parent get a job as well, and the child, who wouldn't otherwise have had to go to daycare, has to.
Oh, and I'm sure you meant that loosely, but I can assure you that as a homemaker, I'm not exactly sitting on my arse all day drinking coffee (although I do get to use the bathroom whenever I need to, something I couldn't do as a teacher! I just have people standing on my feet while I do it. ). |
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I agree that this is a result of the imbalanced situation, and don't spend too much time maoning about it. However, it is worth noting that feminism (or, rather, proactive equality) has brought benefits to everyone, it's just that some institutions (like the law) are slower to catch up than others. Both partners working part-time is the way forward! I'm going to try that this time. cheers, and thanks for all the nice messages |
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10-28-2002, 02:20 PM | #111 | |
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I think it's all about every person having choices. It doesn't matter who takes care of the kids during the day (mom or dad), as long as they have support from the other parent. The BEST thing would be if companies wouldn't expect their employees to work 60 hours a week for pittance. 40 hours a week for pittance is okay, but 60? That's stepping over the line! |
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10-28-2002, 03:07 PM | #112 |
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thats a bit harsh...
Feminism should be a more followed thang though. I can kick-box!!!! But that girl is taking it a bit toooo far- just find some other fit girl (or boy) next time- who dosen't take things to extreeems!
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10-31-2002, 08:13 PM | #114 |
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I think both parents should raise children jointly. i mean, i can't say if my dad had a larger part in raisinf me than my mom.
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11-22-2002, 09:11 PM | #115 |
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12-13-2002, 04:58 PM | #116 |
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i say that let the feminists be feminists. but i sure wouldnt want to be one. i like the, men opening doors for us and (some thing that alot of people don't know) how men are supposed to walk on the outside when they are walking on the sidewalk with a women kinda thing. it shows a gentleman
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12-15-2003, 09:32 PM | #117 |
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This was on amazon:
Dangerous Error, June 19, 2003 Reviewer: carolyn sanchez My husband recently bought "30 Days to a More Powerful Vocabulary" and I casually opened it to a page at random. On p. 287, there is a "test" with a question which reads: Is a lecherous man a misogynist? True or false. Shockingly, the answer, in the book, is false. What a sad commentary on the author, the editors and all the "positive" reviewers that they think that a man given to excessive self-indulgence with women "loves" them when such obsessive behavior is antithetical to true love, in which the well-being of the loved person is paramount. Of course, lechery is a close cousin to physical abuse. And, that's the danger in this vocabulary error. The sad things is that she is criticizing “30 Days to a More Powerful Vocabulary” and posted it on Word Power Made Easy: The Complete Handbook for Building a Superior Vocabulary. I am curious to your thoughts on her umbrage.
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12-15-2003, 11:38 PM | #118 |
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I think Radagast had an excellant post on the first page.
I'm for equality of women, but when feminism gets extreme, I start thinking angry thoughts.... if women had governed the world, there would be no men would there?
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Sort of but not really...
In the LoTR movies, IMO Jack son portrayed the male and female elves too similar (sometimes you can't tell a difference). To make the men "beautiful" or "pretty" he had to make them look feminine. I don't think that's what Tolkien intended. Any thoughts?
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