11-20-2003, 04:05 PM | #101 | |
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Yeah, over here the reporters said the protestors planned for about 100,000 people but only 35,000 showed up, lol. Don't worry, a lot of us know it doesn't represent your whole population, we have moronic protestors over here too
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We know that most of Europe views us as evil and one of the main threats to world peace - at least that is what the latest polls out of europe say. Quote:
This is what annoys me - on Le Figaro they have this pic on the main page of their website... When this happened today... by terrorists. Something is wrong with these protestors.
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I do not agree with your connection between the death of soldiers in the war in Iraq and peaceful protest. However, as you stated, that is YOUR OPINION, you have a right to it. As a citizen of the US I have every right to assemble peacefully and protest, if I so desire, any action my government makes that I do not agree with. No, I haven't protested against or for, and I've given the reason why. |
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One thing that really pissed me off that I saw today was someone in Englad holding an American Flag and the stars were replaced by a swastika
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The thing is - America seems to have learned from the past - but Europe hasn't - which is pretty said.
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We did not know the full attrocities of the tortures Hussein was doing - because they were all done behind closed doors. We did know a lot of the attrocities though. Enough for me to determine that Hussein was no better than Melochevic and if we could go after him - we could go after Hussein.
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There's been rather a lot of right-wing doublethink echoing around this thread:
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I'm surprised you hadn't worked it out, but the reason people are demonstrating against OUR government's policy is that it's OUR government, and it's our responsibility as democratic citizens to make a stink when that government is wrong. The terrorists are not our terrorists, no matter how much you would like to depict us as being "on their side" (which I find offensive in the extreme and wilfully ignorant). That's why we don't demonstrate against them. Every democratic society quite rightly has debate, sometimes it's even open and vigorous. In this case, the people who are most stridently favour the war in Iraq are in the bloody White House and 10 Downing Street (and they brook no dissent from within their own ranks) while those who oppose it are out in the streets, so that's why the debate has to happen in the way it does. |
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But Gaffer, SURELY you know that we must all stand shoulder to shoulder in a war against terrorism? Though it's funny, I do seem to recall there being terrorist attacks against a whole range of western nations before September 11, which didn't seem to end up with anyone standing at anyone's shoulder in particular.
In fact the usual sort of response from a suddenly VERY keen proponent of the War on Terrorism was "Well you've brought it on yourselves and one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, oh and by the way we've just shipped them another boat load of Armalites." Odd how times change.
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Thank you Gaffer for explaining that.
As one of the people who would have marched if possible, I see that from a quick scan here I would then have been labelled as 'moronic', 'anti-American', considered as probably not knowing the difference between good and evil, standing side by side with terrorists, causing in an indirect way the death of USAmerican soldiers (funny I thought others were over there and had died there too), and so on ... yeah, well, thanks. Sadly it has not surprised me to see how someone who may not agree with a particular view being put forward here is immediately spoken of in terms which would suggest that they are rendered sub-human. (Of course, we know what happens once one begins to see other people as not-human .... ... ) Thank you Draken as well. I think maybe it has been forgotten how long we over here in the UK suffered terrorist attacks, and, might I add, there were certainly allegations being made over who might have been funding or partially funding some of those attacks. On the particular march - well, it's been called a record for a midweek turn out. (Remember Thursdays are working days for very very many of us, and the countryside alliance march was at a weekend.) I believe the demonstration against war way back in February was the all-time record turn out for London, and there were demonstrations in other parts of the UK too, btw. For yesterday's march there was a whole cross-section of our society represented as well, and a considerable number of reasons for marching, which did include the concerns that the actions in Iraq have made the world a less safe place now (we here, for a start, are on terrorist alert and attacks that have been interpreted as aimed at British interests took place yesterday), anger that Tony Blair is not necessarily representing our interests, that he may have fudged some issues to justify going into Iraq, and that he appears to be selling our sovereignty (he has been called 'Bush's poodle' and 'the organ grinder's monkey'), anger against the war, which many people still see as illegal, and so on. Don't worry. I'm not upset over this. Nor do I want a big argument. I just wanted to point out that maybe things aren't quite as clearly cut as some posters here might appear to think. But I'm sure we all knew that anyway ... * On another matter entirely. The queen? Ah, well, I'm a fan. I am not at all happy about the hangers-on, but I really do believe she does the very best she can and is an immense asset to our country. I'm lucky enough to have met also Prince Charles - he was immensely courteous, and I think has been very much misunderstood. Anyone know, as a matter of interest, any comparative figures on expenditure/income for country for Bush and the queen? * Last edited by Hemel : 11-21-2003 at 08:48 AM. |