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11-16-2002, 12:06 PM | #102 | |
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11-16-2002, 12:46 PM | #104 |
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i think that unwanted babies should die. maybe with one of those handguns you speak of.
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of course it's ok to kill humans. but it is like any other hunt. eat what you kill isthatbad?!
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11-16-2002, 12:56 PM | #106 | |
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11-16-2002, 12:58 PM | #107 | |
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First of all there are several differences... 1) the child is outside the mother and has physically been born and is a unigue individual. 2) the child has feelings - unlike a clump of cells that have only just started developing. By the way - there are tons of Christians that don't believe in giving their children medical attention and taking them to a doctor. One case happened while I was in Oregon. Some people say that is tantamount to killing a child - others claim it's an issue of freedom of religion (putting their trust in God).
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I'm beginning to wonder if you even know how a baby forms in the mother's womb. You go right to partial birth abortions as your argument against abortions, as if at the moment of conception that is what a fetus would looks like. That doesn't start occuring until the later 3rd month and into the 2nd trimester. I support abortion in the first trimester. Quote:
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[not sarcasm] OK JD. I see your reasoning. Are you saying that any "fetus" without a nervous system isn't a human being"?
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11-16-2002, 02:49 PM | #111 | |
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11-16-2002, 03:02 PM | #112 | |
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So are you against the morning after pill? or stem cell research. None of the embryos under these two scenarios have reached anywhere near the point to what you use as your argument against abortion.
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11-16-2002, 03:56 PM | #113 | |
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I have reached these with my arguement, but you don't want to hear it (which I can't blame you. I dont' want to hear your argument either.) Upon the sperm and egg mixing, a human child if formed. I did show you that with all the quotes from scientists and text books. Do you believe that all those scientists are wrong? |
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11-16-2002, 04:34 PM | #114 |
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Good heavens no! How could all of those scientists possibly be wrong? ]: )
But, honestly, I would like to know how jersydevil qualifies what is human or not... because I know quite a few people without backbones, and I don't waste time trying to aborth them!
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Abortion is more of a religious issue than a medical one. And wether or not abortion is availalbe in the hospital or not - you nor anyone else is going to prevent a woman from having one. There is always the dark alleys and the, to put it bluntly, the coat hanger method. I'd rather give a woman the option to have an abortion, within limits, than to have them resort to that. And in regards to stem cell resource - billions of people can be helped through these types of studies.
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There is always going to be dark street corners where murders take place, the, to put it bluntly, the gun to head method. [sarcasm] I'd rather give a person an option to murder someone, within limits, than to have them resort to that. |
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Sorry but unlike you where it's a nothing proposition - I have come to a middle ground. I went to Catholic school - we were taught that abortion was wrong. Of course for their arguments they only used pictures of aborted fetuses that would be today called "partial birth abortions". This si the same argument you have made repeatedly - that the "fetus moves away from the needle", that the "fetus feels pain". I still contend that at that stage it is wrong and should be restricted. So up to that point I agree with you. Prior to that I do not.
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If you have an abortion, at ANY stage, you are stopping a life. I equate stopping a life with killing something. How is it different? Or do you not think that a fertilized egg is "a life". If it's growth cycle is not interupted, the genetic code is there for a new and unique human being to form. If you abort this, a life has been ended. Let's see the hairs split here!
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Jersydevil... I would like to hear why, exactly, you think a fetus is not human, and what, exactly, you think it is?
I do not believe that the degree of development has any bearing on the value of life. Is a newborn less important than a five-year old? Is a five year old less importand than a teenager? They are fundamentally the same human being.
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