Gandalf v. Harry Potter, who will win? - Page 6

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-29-2003, 05:37 PM

Both evil and good are born into a person; children don't have to be taught to to lie, or to take another child's toy away from them. Evil comes naturally to people; youth doesn't necessarily mean your free of evil.

eowyngirl14 · 01-29-2003, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by FrodoFriend
so the question is moot . . .

'Tis not. I forget whos side I was on... so I now think that the on;y true way to tell which wizard is stronger is to see of they cou;d defeat each others foe.

Harry should be forced to battle Saruman

Gandalf should be forced to battle Voldemort.

If Gandalf is killed then Harry is the better wizard. If Harry id killed, then Harry is still the better wizard...

I am not bias... I don;t care what you say!

FrodoFriend · 01-29-2003, 05:43 PM

Huh? Are you replying to my post? Because I wasn't even addressing that subject. Harry and Gandalf are not evil because that's how their characters are written. This is about fantasy fiction writing, not human nature.

FrodoFriend · 01-29-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by eowyngirl14
'Tis not. I forget whos side I was on... so I now think that the on;y true way to tell which wizard is stronger is to see of they cou;d defeat each others foe.

Harry should be forced to battle Saruman

Gandalf should be forced to battle Voldemort.

If Gandalf is killed then Harry is the better wizard. If Harry id killed, then Harry is still the better wizard...

I am not bias... I don;t care what you say!

But both of them would win, because they're Good Guys, and the Good Guys always win. Frankly, I think they'd both win by sheer power anyway....

eowyngirl14 · 01-29-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Both evil and good are born into a person; children don't have to be taught to to lie, or to take another child's toy away from them. Evil comes naturally to people; youth doesn't necessarily mean your free of evil.

No, but if soesn't make you evil either. If evil is discouraged as a child, then the child will learn to live without it.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-29-2003, 06:04 PM

Exactly; youth doesn't necessarily mean someone is pure and innocent, nor does it mean they are necessarily spoiled brats.

FF, I was replying to:

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Furthermore, being a child he retains some innocence and resistance to evil that adults do not have.

About their characters, that of course is right; but saying being young makes him more resistant to evil is, in my opinion, incorrect.

Hmm...Where do Good Guys lose...I know someone who's writing a fantasy series which has a very tragic end, where evil basically wins...That's all I can think of. But you're right, the Good Guys have a tendency to win. To paraphrase Dark Helmet, "Because Evil is dumb." Ok, maybe that wasn't exactly what he said...

eowyngirl14 · 01-29-2003, 07:22 PM

Well... If you took Gandalf and Harry Potter out of the story books and brought them to life and they kept all of their charecteristics and their backgrounds and histpries are the same, except for their tendency to win... who do you think would win fighting against each others enemy.

HP verses Saruman

Gandalf verses Voldemort

Celebréiel · 01-29-2003, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by eowyngirl14
HP verses Saruman

muahah!

I really dont know that much about Harry Potter, but honestly, he would get his butt kicked completely by Saruman! No chance.
~Celebréiel

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-29-2003, 07:28 PM

Saruman=Maia. Saruman>Harry
Gandalf=Maia. Gandalf>Voldemort

eowyngirl14 · 01-29-2003, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Saruman=Maia. Saruman>Harry
Gandalf=Maia. Gandalf>Voldemort

YOU LIE!!!!

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-29-2003, 07:54 PM

Nope, fraid not.

(Well, maybe not fraid...)

FrodoFriend · 01-30-2003, 09:07 AM

I think Harry could beat Saruman. He beat Voldemort, after all. And Gandalf would definitely chew Voldy to pulp . . . so they'd both still be equal.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-30-2003, 01:31 PM

But Voldemort is a human; Saruman is a Maia, and the most powerful of the Wizards.

eowyngirl14 · 01-31-2003, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
But Voldemort is a human; Saruman is a Maia, and the most powerful of the Wizards.

What's with all this human dissing? Look around you, Do you see any Maia? Noooooo... Doesn't that tell you something. LIke maybe, humans survived untill the 21 century but the Maia's were siped out? I am not sure, but I think that might make the humans better!

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-31-2003, 09:23 PM

Pffffffft. Maiar don't live here, silly! They live in Valinor, which is no longer attainable through the world. Anyway, Maiar are supernatural beings, and thus of course better at using supernatural power.

eowyngirl14 · 01-31-2003, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Pffffffft. Maiar don't live here, silly! They live in Valinor, which is no longer attainable through the world. Anyway, Maiar are supernatural beings, and thus of course better at using supernatural power.

Right... supernatural power Well in my opinion magic is diferent from supernatural power. Therefore I would have say that HP's magic is stronger than ay supernatural power.

Wayfarer · 01-31-2003, 11:48 PM

Magic and supernatural power are the same thing.

Wayfarer · 01-31-2003, 11:48 PM

And Gandalf is stronger magically than Harry Potter. End of story.

eowyngirl14 · 01-31-2003, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Magic and supernatural power are the same thing.

su·per·nat·u·ral adj
1.relating or attributed to phenomena that cannot be explained by natural laws
2.relating or attributed to a deity
3.relating or attributed to magic or the occult

mag·ic n
1.conjuring tricks and illusions that make apparently impossible things seem to happen, usually performed as entertainment
2.a special, mysterious, or inexplicable quality, talent, or skill

They are similar, but definetly no the same!

Wayfarer · 02-01-2003, 12:12 AM

Supernatural (2) and Magic (1) and do not apply in this situation.
Supernatural (1) can describe Magic (2)
Supernatural (3) is relates to Magic

Supernatural and Magical are the same.

01-29-2003, 05:37 PM	#101
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Both evil and good are born into a person; children don't have to be taught to to lie, or to take another child's toy away from them. Evil comes naturally to people; youth doesn't necessarily mean your free of evil. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-29-2003, 05:43 PM	#103
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Huh? Are you replying to my post? Because I wasn't even addressing that subject. Harry and Gandalf are not evil because that's how their characters are written. This is about fantasy fiction writing, not human nature. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-29-2003, 07:22 PM	#107
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	Well... If you took Gandalf and Harry Potter out of the story books and brought them to life and they kept all of their charecteristics and their backgrounds and histpries are the same, except for their tendency to win... who do you think would win fighting against each others enemy. HP verses Saruman Gandalf verses Voldemort __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-29-2003, 07:28 PM	#109
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Saruman=Maia. Saruman>Harry Gandalf=Maia. Gandalf>Voldemort __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-29-2003, 07:54 PM	#111
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Nope, fraid not. (Well, maybe not fraid...) __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-30-2003, 09:07 AM	#112
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I think Harry could beat Saruman. He beat Voldemort, after all. And Gandalf would definitely chew Voldy to pulp . . . so they'd both still be equal. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-30-2003, 01:31 PM	#113
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	But Voldemort is a human; Saruman is a Maia, and the most powerful of the Wizards. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-31-2003, 09:23 PM	#115
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Pffffffft. Maiar don't live here, silly! They live in Valinor, which is no longer attainable through the world. Anyway, Maiar are supernatural beings, and thus of course better at using supernatural power. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-31-2003, 11:48 PM	#117
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Magic and supernatural power are the same thing. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-31-2003, 11:48 PM	#118
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	And Gandalf is stronger magically than Harry Potter. End of story. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

02-01-2003, 12:12 AM	#120
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Supernatural (2) and Magic (1) and do not apply in this situation. Supernatural (1) can describe Magic (2) Supernatural (3) is relates to Magic Supernatural and Magical are the same. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

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