The Hobbit movie will happen!

[Tom_Bombadil]

You said I didn't mention about the rant but then provided the evidence underneath! In my own words. Maybe you missed the fact that it was implied. I'll overlook your limitations.

Would have been nice if you could have tried to answer my questions rather that trying to be witty. I thought this was a place to exchange ideas about Tolkien's books, more so than trying to be popular.

[Rían]

You said I didn't mention about the rant ...

I didn't say that. I said you didn't mention a "multi page spanning rant". And if you gotta go for that it was "implied", that's a pretty weak defense. "multi page rant" does not necessarily equal "one man's obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor."

I thought this was a place to exchange ideas about Tolkien's books, more so than trying to be popular.

Anyway, I agree with you here. This is the main point, IMO, and that's why I objected when you, a new poster, come here and in what? your second post? call the opinion of a long-time member an "obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor."

You seem like a knowledgeable Tolkien fan, since you mentioned Olorin - why don't you share some of your thoughts about Tolkien's works, instead of attacking members? There's lots of good Tolkien threads, and I hope you will contribute to them and enjoy them

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

I don't expect perfection, but I don't appreciate meddling, which was what McKellen did. Case closed on that.

Meddling is exactly what wizards do best.

I think Ian did an awesome job, whether he was wearing gray, white, or whatever.

[Rían]

I wonder if the producers of the Hobbit movie will use the same support team (costumes, effects, etc. - Weta, wasn't it?) that was used for LOTR. I thought the costumes, backgrounds, etc. were very good.

One thing that will be interesting is how they portray the elves at Rivendell - those elves on the outskirts of R. always seemed so goofy! Not like the elves in the Sil, that's for sure!

[Peter_20]

Originally Posted by Jon S.

Saying McClellan must always play Gandalf because you liked him in the LOTR and got used to him is like saying you have to marry the first girl you #$&%ed because it was good and that's also the only experience you have.

Sir Ian was fine in LOTR but he ain't the only good actor in town.

I don't think that's the issue; say rather that most people probably want the same actor for the same character because it feels more consistent.

Having actor A for character A in all the movies does feel much better than having actor A, B, C etc. for character A.

[rohirrim TR]

So what do y'all think about Sam Raimi as the possible director candidate?

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by Peter_20

I sincerely hope that they won't make weird arrangements like leaving out The Unexpected Party or crap-ideas like this.

Movies based on books have this tendency to rush everything, so don't expect any slow development like in the book.

*Gandalf SHOULD chat a while with Bilbo at the door-step
*The Dwarves SHOULD make a long visit so as to let the audience get to know them
*The party SHOULD visit Beorn
*The movie SHOULD explain the situation in the Elven-king's halls

PLEASE, don't leave this out.

In the book I got to know the dwarves not at all during their long tea. They were mostly singing collectively, while Bilbo fetched things. So I'd rather they skipped that so I could see them in more individuated circumstances. A nice long creep through Mirkwood, for example.

What explanation of the Elven-kings halls would you like to see?

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

that's why I objected when you, a new poster, come here and in what? your second post? call the opinion of a long-time member an "obsessive, opinionated, ill-founded critique of an actor."

I'm just entering to see if there's an official post count after which we can take shots at Hectorourbelovedprez.
*blows kiss to hector and slips out*

[hectorberlioz]

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[Rían]

Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

I'm just entering to see if there's an official post count after which we can take shots at Hectorourbelovedprez.
*blows kiss to hector and slips out*

I'd say at least elf-lord ...

(but really - 2 posts?!?!?!?!!?!?)

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Tom_Bombadil, I ask you, is this really to whiny for you?

Hector, my friend. Could you jot me down a few permitted scenes? Your list of exclusions place a lot of limits on what is, after all, a visual medium.

I agree with Tom Bombadil that it's a different form. If it doesn't go by different rules it'll be very monotonous, like those classes where the teacher reads aloud all period from the assigned reading.

[hectorberlioz]

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[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Is This what you want in your movies, IS IT?!!

No, of course not. I don't object to all your caveats, at all.

Yeah, but that completely misses my whole point: which is that the Hobbit film ought to be AS good visually and production-wise as the LotR films, but should NOT make the same mistakes they did.

I'm just not sure that a loving homage to hobbit crockery and washing up will make the best MOVIE. The trolls horde may not be the size of Smaug's but it will certainly be more stuff than Bilbo's ever seen outside of the Mathom House.

[hectorberlioz]

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[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Now what do you mean by that? That there was a huge Troll Army after Bilbo in the book? I certainly don't remember that, but I can tell you right now: mostly likely there will be an overdoing of the action in the film. Bilbo will probably "almost" die, Thorin will be flung into a tree by a giant scorpion...

Item 19.

I kind of like your picture, though. "Ray Harryhausen's HOBBIT!'

[hectorberlioz]

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[The Gaffer]

Originally Posted by Tom_Bombadil

I'll overlook your limitations.

Thoughtful.

Now take the twat hat off and say something useful and/or entertaining.

Gandalf has to be in; the question has to be is there enough botox in Christendom for Ian Holm to look the same age as Frodo did in LOTR?

So, it this movie going to happen or what? Anyone got any actual news since that link got posted?

[hectorberlioz]

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[Rían]

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

... the question has to be is there enough botox in Christendom for Ian Holm to look the same age as Frodo did in LOTR?

LOL!

IIRC from the movie audio commentaries, they used a lot of duct tape on Ian Holm's face for the face-on shots of the "Bilbo finding the ring" scene to make him look younger. Better than botox!

I think they can get away with an actor that is younger but looks similar to Ian Holm, but they're gonna have to stick with Gandy.

Ahhh, they better not mess up the "Black Arrow" scene - our family likes that part. My son and I both leave one of our arrows unmarked and call it the Black Arrow. The other ones we write a letter on and give them a LOTR name (G is for Gandalf, etc. - identifying arrows is a typical thing to do, then you can see if one deviates a particular way every time it's shot and take steps to correct it.)

[The Gaffer]

Thanks.

Children of Hurin looks groovy.

Hey, how about an animated Hobbit version, hand-drawn by an infinite number of Alan Lees?

Cross-post: groovy archery trivia an a'!