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One fact that you ought to know about Christianity, is that we do actually believe that God experiences all the suffering that happens in the world. Every sin that occurs is done against him, and every pain that is felt is felt by him. He says that quite clearly in the scripture. Quote:
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Don't let me forget to respond to your other post Lief, it was very interesting. I just wanted to get these points across from GLB before I run to class:
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11-08-2004, 04:15 AM | #103 |
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Goodnight. Or good morning, for you . Good luck with school. (Starts repeating the same thing to self, much more dryly ) I'll be going now. Au revoir!
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Re : Free Will
OK, Lief ... *gets out the heavy artillery* Why don't we look at what God Himself says about the matter (thru the divinely inspired Word of God) (i.e., the Bible) Here is your assignment - Please give me at least 5 different analogies that God Himself, thru the Bible, uses to describe the relationship between Himself and humans (including author/character, if you can find it). Rate them according to (rough) percentage of usage, and please include references. For each one, describe the relationship involved in the analogy, and important "events" in the relationship, and how these "events" impacted those in the relationship.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 11-08-2004 at 06:51 PM. |
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The only thing I didn't quite understand was your statement that "It is almost as though God should be punishing Himself." Could you please explain?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Yes, I understand what you're saying, and I agree that it's His "fault" in that case, but I just didn't understand why you wrote that God was punishing "Himself". And I still don't quite understand - but if it's just that it's unjust, or that God is punishing those that He Himself made act in an evil way, then I understand that.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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I said that it's as though God should be punishing Himself, not that he was punishing Himself. I mean, God predestined the crimes to be commited, and therefore is responsible for them, and therefore should hold Himself accountable.
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Oh, I see now. Sorry I was so dense!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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I hear your assignment, R*an. I'll give it some thought. I can point you to some of those analogies right now, including the author one (which is actually in there! ), but percentage of use would be much harder to come by. If there are specific passages that seem to counter a predestination standpoint, I'd greatly appreciate it if you would look them up and post the references. Then this can be a real discussion, rather then a discussion of only the predestination scriptures. If I were to look for Free Will scriptures, I wouldn't know where to turn, for I don't think there are any. Bring it on! Quote:
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Lief, any response on the "homework"?
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People are getting homework in here?
Did you want to keep talking about sin Ri? But no homework assignments, I have too many already.
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Well, it was kind of a fun thing - I was teasing Lief about being wrong about something, so to illustrate my point, I gave him some "homework" (which he hasn't turned in yet, btw!)
Nurvi, I'm going to post on the "why you believe" thread now, and I want to give that top priority. So we can either wait here, or you can work it in over there
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Okay, maybe I will just ask you about sin in there. I just posted and forgot to ask you, but I may sitll bring it up later.
But no homework... pleeeease!
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Lief Erikson - rebel of the Theology thread.
Hey Rian, as you can see I put all the questions on sin that I had over in the "Why you believe..." thread. Ooh, I just thought of more! *runs off to WYBWYB*
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