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uhh.... lotesse, i think thats pretty much what i said
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so what exaclty are you reffering to?
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Thanks Lotesse and Sun-star.
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I've already commented on the illogic of connecting these three statements, and besides, no one agrees with him anyway. So we can move along. EDIT: But it was definitely thought-provoking, so right on Rohirrim TR. R*an, what did Darwin say about God? To my immense relief, I realized that this doesn't affect the fact that the Theory of Evolution doesn't make a comment about God. However, I'm curious to know what Darwin thought. (Sorry if you already answered that.)
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as to the term agnostic i would have to look it up, i'm not positive on that one but off hand i would agree with your definition, if only for the moment
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Er yeah, sorry for bringing up the old post.
Referring. Double "r".
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Agnostic is a refusal to believe for certain that God does OR does not exist. It's a fancy term for indecision . Atheism is I think closer to Stalin, and that is the belief that God does NOT exist.
Also, I think IR was referring to a much larger argument than you actually brought up - a lot of people do blame Darwinism for racism (for whatever reason... it is completely absurd).
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A process, such as evolution, has outcomes rather than goals (as it is not a thinking entity that would set goals for itself). One outcome of evolution is genetic diversity. A "master race" would be exactly opposite to this. Now, a "master race" does occur, but this is not a natural process. We can observe this in agriculture - thousands of generations of domestication has led to crop species being very different from their wild ancestors. In addition, there is relitively narrow genetic diversity in many widely planted crops (dangerously so in many species). Compare this to trees (especially conifers), who have the largest genome of any organism. Even the tree with the longest history of domestication (Pinus pinea, the tree whose cones give us pine nuts) is still genetically diverse. In sum, a "master race" is opposite to any observable output of evolution. Only humans fiddling with breeding programs has led to anything resembling a master race. Humans messing about isn't exactly evolution. Further, though many agricultural species have advantages like high volume or compatability with Roundup, I would hesistate to think of these species as the best. They are advantageous to the individual farmer, but from a species standpoint this is dangerous. One crop disease (potato blight) led to devastation in Ireland during the Irish potato famine, when only a narrow selection of potato species were planted. Edited to add: Cross-posted with Count Comfect. I also just want to add to R*an and Count Comfects comments about a lot of people supporting racist ideals with evolution. There is no logical justification of any racist ideas. Evolution is a logical scientific theory - not the ultimate truth of life, but definitely logical. Racism has no basis whatsoever on science. Any jerk who tells you racism is okay because evolutionary theory supports it is not only demonstrating a lack of understanding if ToE, but is also a complete git who needs to remove him/herself from the gene pool. Please note that my vehemence is directed completely at racism (which is one of the things in the world that pisses me off the most) and not at all at any Mooters.
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Indeed, that's where a few of our fellows wander from time to time. Now I'd better check right field.
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Just in case some left-handed batters sent something over there.
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hmm I might be writing an essay on this stuff soon.
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Interesting! I hope you post it here.
What's the topic exactly? (This thread is rather broad.)
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Not nice Lotesse. Don't mund us Curubethion.
IR pointed out that Curubethion seems to have mixed up eugenics and evolution. So... what is eugenics anyway?
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