06-22-2006, 07:44 PM | #101 |
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Elfhelm, why don't you post the whole forum here for all to see. Why just a piece of it, if it is so convincing, towards your arguement?!!!
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06-22-2006, 07:56 PM | #102 |
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oh you are one of the callers on that recording?
How far into are you? I'm not going to go searching for it, but if you tell me how many minutes in you are, I will listen to it.
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06-22-2006, 09:00 PM | #104 | |
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But frankly, BoP's refutation was sufficient for me. Now answer this simple question. Did the Ancient Egyptians speak Arabic? I would like a yes or no. But if you want to say more, please tell me what is the relationship between Ancient Egyptian and Arabic. I know what your master says. What do you say? |
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06-22-2006, 09:00 PM | #105 | |
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Again, why don't you post the whole forum...or should I?
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06-22-2006, 09:00 PM | #106 | |
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Telcontarion, you can harp on all you like about the 'highly speculative' nature of egyptology, but the facts speak for themselves. I've yet to actually see you post up anything that resembles a fact. RE: the rosetta stone... huh? The problem with the language comes down to competing interpretations of the translations, not the actual transliteration itself. Transliteration is easy, it's interpreting the translations is where it becomes a little bit more problematic. And in any case, the reason you brought this up is because...? What? There's no two ways to dice it - the transliterations of nefertiti's and nefertari's names are clear. There's no 'Maryam' as you claimed. Your claim was false. Arguing about the rosetta stone doesn't make this any more or less correct. Now, can you please further clarify what exactly you meant by stating that Tolkien was obviously drawing from the Egyptian language when he crafted names like Elendil? How does this make it so? Gah, I don't know why I waste my time. You are clearly not even bothering to debate. You're not even addressing the points I've raised, ie the problematic timelines, the transliterations of the historical figures, etc, etc. You call that a needless debate, and I've yet to understand why you don't feel that these are valid points since they do in fact address your lovely little falsehoods drawn from that site. Now, as far as my reading comprehension goes. Fine, you say you're not convinced of his arguments. Okay... so why are you posting them up here for us to 'change your mind'?
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06-22-2006, 09:14 PM | #108 | |
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Yes or no are they not discussing him, that's all I ask. Yes or no!!!
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06-22-2006, 09:19 PM | #109 |
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dead end? (is that egyptian for erectile malfunction syndrome????)
EMS??? sort of a male PMS???? well, for what its worth i canna be bothered reading it all ... so what is all the beef about? what is The Telcontarion (hello btw ) all het up about? (ref, mods - and their ways - i, sadly, Tel would know little of them and their ways ... being a model good mooter and all .... but maybe ...may i suggest you have a nice cup of tea ...go on!! ah go on now!! have a nice cup of tea there!! El Tel although i must say - i never knew you could actually EDIT a Mod's EDIT ... [I]*Lil' o BB takes his hat off*[/I] ..probably not a great idea though??? er.... el tel, do you wear a sarong perchance? .... just wondering, like, as you seem to be attempting teach your (sexy) "grandmother" to suck eggs .... (smooches at BoP ... well it's a phrase gorgeous ... you DO look younger! Last edited by Butterbeer : 06-22-2006 at 09:22 PM. |
06-22-2006, 09:21 PM | #110 |
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But you think the heiroglyphs should be read using modern Arabic words, just like the "expert" you believe despite every intelligent, clear, and authoritative disagreement that has been raised. Even though you admit that Arabic was not spoken in Egypt until 1600 years ago, you contend that spoken Arabic should be the foundation of any reading of the heiroglyphs. And it's just fine with you that the translations of glyphs written about 4,000 years ago translte into passages from the Bible and the Koran.
Dude, that's bunk. The Koran didn't even exist at the time. You have not supported a single thing you maintain. Do you think the Sphinx is a statue of Abraham? Yes or no. |
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Prince Amun-her-khepeshef Prince Pareherwenemef Prince Meriatum Prince Meryre Princess Meritamen Princess Henuttawy Princess Beketmut (?) Princess Nefertari (?) Princess Nebettawy (?) None of which look like a likely Maryam/Mary as claimed by the crackpot. Quote:
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I have done plenty of reading on Tolkien; I do believe I have a fair grasp on the man and his work as a whole, and I see no reason to believe that he intentionally designed the work to be this or to be that, aside from a story. Of course, he saw many major themes running through it (the three I remember him writing of were Death and Immortality, Machine, and the sole right of God to divine honour), but that was after it was written. I recall no indication that during the actual writing, he intended to use the book as an ambo. If you have an authoritative source which indicates otherwise, then name it, and I will concede the point. Merely pointing me to your research paper and insulting me will not do the trick, however. Quote:
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06-22-2006, 09:39 PM | #114 |
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blimey o'reilly international peops ... 'ere, have a kebab already!
BoP ..calm the **** down .... just cus' you know stuff don't mean ya should 'do the natural' on new posters wot 'ave thought-provoking (presumably - ?? ) ideas ...??? heh, i remember when i was new to this form of web based forum communication ... i went a bit doo-lalley with mod decisions and stuff ...but you live and learn and you get a more rounded view with experience ... ...give the guy a chance already! best, BB x |
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If thought-provoking and headdesk-provoking are the same thing...
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I really don't get you, give me the quotes I have asked for ok buddy. Becasue your are very combatitive and confrontational. You behave like this is such a chore, why are you here; give, me, the, quotes
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*BB Bows* .. an' heh i ain't even read this stuff yet ... but thanks all the same Gwai ! |
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06-22-2006, 10:15 PM | #118 | |
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Not the issue!! Just a distraction
This to Gwaimir Windgem
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06-22-2006, 10:22 PM | #119 | |
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Again, post the whole forum as I asked for the 4th time!!!!! Stop dudging?!!!
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