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he gives a lot of clues, he always does, and most of them are too obvious. i have a feeling we'll see some connections with older episodes to all of this, too.. i love it.
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naaah, I can't see them ending the Doctor. They'll get out of it somehow!
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Probably. But at the same time, Moffat does like to have indicators of things to come. Then again, this would probably not be subtle enough for him. We shall see.
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oh, and about amy being pregnant: she is drinking wine in the beginning of the episode.
(which might mean she just came up with the idea that she's pregnant from feeling ill now and then (which is a bit of a weak argument), or the aliens told her, or she is pregnant and allows herself to have a bit of wine. :P)
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yeah, that's true (about the wine) - well, we'll see!
About the River Song story - her "worst day" or however she called it - she said she'll know everything about the Doctor and he'll know nothing about her - how in the world does that work? It used to be that she was in HIS future, and she knew about the relationship that they had not yet had to HIS knowledge, and that makes sense. But now they've seemed to change it around to they're like going opposite directions in the timeline (what happened to the timey-wimey ball, BTW?) and eventually he'll know nothing of her and she'll know everything about him (and it was the opposite way before). How does this work? I can see that she's in her present but his future, but I don't see how this twist works - as time goes on, you accumulate experiences - how can the Doctor end up knowing nothing about River? I know they like weird things, but this doesn't seem to hold water, although it is certainly tragic, which they also like (and which is one of the elements that make the show good).
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so every time river says that the day will come when she'll meet the doctor and he'll know nothing about her - for the doctor and us, that has already happened. the first time the doctor met river, he saw her die. does that make more sense, did i manage to explain that at all?
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hmmm, I'll have to think about that a bit ...
(I'm glad people are posting here - it's so fun to talk Dr. Who with the new season coming up!)
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in short, the doctor and river go in opposite directions on the time line. the viewers follow the doctor's time line and the first time we saw river, she died. she doesn't know about that yet, 'cause it hasn't yet happened to her (that's the timey-wimey part). the last time we see river will be the first time she meets the doctor (i presume) when he'll know everything about her and she'll know nothing about him (and she'll be a young girl then, according to what she said in the first episode of the new season). yeah, discussing doctor who and trying to figure out what's going on is the only way to survive between episodes!
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Yes that puts it very well. It just so happens that the Doctor met her at the end of her life and, as he gads about the time stream, keeps bumping into her further into her past from that event. I say "just happens" - there may well more to it than that.
There's still the big unknown of who she kills to merit imprisonment in the (pretty ineffective) Stormcage - most people assume the Doctor. She flagged up the danger of a paradox so maybe that's what will happen - a paradoxical parallel Doctor who must be destroyed to preserve the original... but then, the "River kills the Doctor" theory is all TOO obvious. I'm wondering if the opening scenes - with the Doctor deliberately getting noticed in history - might be significant. The Doctor has NEVER courted recognition before. And why "wave from history" when he could just visit whenever he liked?
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Yeah, I was thinking about that; as I recall, she wasn't terribly devastated, was she? Wouldn't that have been her "worst day," in Silence in the Library?
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it's actually quite nice to watch those episodes again, now that we know river a bit better, and know what's happening. that first time it was just like 'who the hell is she'...
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no, it's too obvious. she must've killed someone else.. but who?
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AWESOME episode!!! 8D
so much left unsaid, so much confusion..
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Some confusion with episodes.
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Interesting episode. The aliens were creepy enough. Seems as if there are several races (Human, Sea Devils, Silurian) on this planet. Each with their own claim to the planet.
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the question about who sent the invites is indeed interesting.. and why did the doctor try to attract attention to himself through history (as shown in the very first minutes of the first episode), if he could just send them all a letter at the end of it? we've speculated so much about who the girl might be, and it just feels crazy.. and amy seems to be half-pregnant somehow; is she not pregnant yet, but her offspring is walking the earth? is it even amy's kid, or was she just a host? it might be that the aliens don't have any interest in the moon, they just wanted a space suit, so they made the humans make one. and i guess to rationalize it, the humans made a space program, which took them to the moon. why they needed a space suit, though, that's the question.. and it was brilliant with the silent telling everyone to kill them.. isn't there actually a glitch in the recording of armstrong's first words on the moon right around there? i have a feeling we won't see this time girl for the next few episodes.. maybe for the mid-season finale in june. we'll see...
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I think Amy's pregnant with Dr. Who .... he gets reborn that way instead of regenerating.
No, wait, though - there was that pic with Amy with a baby among the other pictures of the girl ... maybe Amy was pregnant with Rory's kid, but the Tardis affected the baby, as she said? Anyway, it seems pretty clear that the little girl is of Time Lord stock, because of the regeneration. But poor thing has been killed before, as she's familiar with regeneration! Another burning question - who makes the suits for the aliens? and did they get a group discount? And in the nitpicky category - what happens to the alien bodies when the Earthlings kill them? Are we constantly stepping over them and forgetting it? Or do they conveniently evaporate? But seriously - pretty clever how the suggestion was used against the aliens and put on the moon walk video!
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Yeah, I did too - they were good episodes on their own, but even more enjoyable with all this new info.
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oh, geekery..
i went and got the master's fob watch from the geek shop in town (norwich). i love that shop (and i usually strongly dislike shops). http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515%2BzexPBeL.jpg
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It is a very nice watch. I've always thought it was a loss that that sort of pocket watch has gone out of fashion.
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indeed.. i haven't worn a watch in a long time, but i'm growing to like these pocket watches (my partner has a couple).
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