10-23-2002, 07:03 PM | #101 |
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I'm back for two seconds. Just think about the people who don't belive in evolution. point in fact, they don't want to listen to evolution.
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10-23-2002, 07:10 PM | #102 |
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I don't want to listen to evolution, it's a joke.
That is what the poem was about.
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10-23-2002, 07:31 PM | #103 | |
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Whew, so many posts! The difference between science and religion is that I'm (being a scientist) ready to change my opinion when given new evidence. As someone said, the bible isn't going to be changed soon, so I don't think that creationists are going to change thier minds. The only way I could beleive in creationism is if God 'tricked' us by putting all the fossils in the ground and making our DNA similar. But I prefer to go for the simpler option of evolution.
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I do have some trouble understanding how all the complex life around us came to be from inert molecules, but I think that it can be explained scientifically, just like I find it hard to comprehend that light is a wave and a particle. Creationists say that God made us in his own image, what if there are extra-terrestrials who don't look anything like us?
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10-23-2002, 07:37 PM | #104 |
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I agree totally with Aeryn. evolution is a joke.
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10-23-2002, 07:47 PM | #106 |
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Ms Umdomnial, What happens when you die? Not much! (ha ha) Your body rots. Your "soul" was nothing more than energy supported by your functioning body parts. When your heart stops beating, your brain gets no oxygen, everything stops functioning, and your so called "soul" goes pffft. There is some energy in the organic components that make up your body, and these will go back to the soil, (or wherever) waiting to nourish something else.
Evolution is not a religion.... who worships it? Is astronomy a religion too? How about the religion of aerodynamics? You sound a little silly, take a deep breath and stop throwing words around. A debate is no reason to get so crazed! I suppose I won't go into what I think of the "creation" story. No need to rain on my virtual friends parades. Peace. Emphlyx...What is the theory of interchangable parts?
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10-23-2002, 07:47 PM | #107 |
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No, it is because no THINKING person would believe that oveer millions and millions of years, people evolved from animals. again I bring up devolving, if something can go forward it can roll right back.
If we evolved from whatever you 'scientics' are saying now-a-days why aren't those creatures evolving today? You base alot of things off of rock, a rocks age is based on years, thats how you know the earth is so old. Tell me WHAT METHODS do you take to know what a million year old rock looks like?
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10-23-2002, 07:58 PM | #108 |
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Lots of thinking people believe it. What a dumb thing to say! I think and I believe it. Ahem...
I've never heard of this theory of "devolving", or rolling back. Exactly what causes this to happen? Is this what Devo were talking about? "All things that go forward must go backward" Good one! All creatures are evolving. You don't see it because you are just a tiny squeak of a second on the evolutionary time line. Honestly, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. The theory of evolution is based on a lot more than "rock" The statements you are making underscore the reason why it should be taught in school. After learning about it, and understanding it, if you choose to reject it because it clashes with your faith, that is your decision. No need to make a bunch of false, irrational statements about a well documented scientific theory. Don't be an ostrich!
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10-23-2002, 08:36 PM | #110 |
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Mmmmhmm....I'm not in public school...and im not religious and i dont believe in evolution....FYI
okay, so I may not quite get where all these ...er 'facts' have sprung up from...but oh Yoda...teach my ...bonhomme mind...
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The Bible may have small alterations made with it with each new translation. Though my source comes from a fictional verse, supposedly the Hebrew word for "camel" is the same as for "coarse thread", only with a different pitch. "It is easier to pull a camel trhough the eye of a needle than get a rich man to heaven..." or would that be coarse thread?
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10-23-2002, 09:57 PM | #114 |
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Perhaps not, but if we believed what we believed simply on the basis of what it says in a book, we'd be a sorry lot indeed. Christianity is an experiential religion. The reason that people sometimes stop believing, like those people that are posting on this thread who have a Catholic background, but never got the faith because it looked like a lot of garbage, is because they didn't come to know God in the first place. There was no basis for belief, and I can completely understand all of the reasons they have for leaving. But God spoke to Elijah, and Moses, and Paul, etc. Those aren't things of the past, they are experiences that all Christians can have. The Bible isn't just a book.
I also disagree with carbon dating, for the reasons I stated in an earlier post . . . I don't know if you've seen it. Archaeological dating and astronomical dating are two types of dating which are counted to be much more accurate than radio carbon dating. Radio carbon dating is known to be less and less accurate the farther back in time you use it. But it is the only dating method they have for things that date back to before humanity, so that's what they use. The totally illogical thing is that even though this inaccuracy is known, they use it mostly for the farthest points of time in history. It's because it's the only dating method that they have for things back then, but that doesn't make it correct. |
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I got the info from my AP bio book, which I will admit is a bit dated (a first year teacher in our school had it for her freshmen year in college).
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It didn't come off as sarcastic, so don't worry. It's becoming harder and harder to offend me...I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not .
(P.S. Tir Nan Og, eh? Not sure if I would want to live there )
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Lief, hmmm, wonder who you're talking about
Anyway...
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Personally I believe in creation more than evolution. I have considered both and I feel that neither are one hundred percent believable but for me creationism is what I started out believing and I find that no matter how much I try to change my beliefs to more scientific theories I cannot, my mind always reverts back to catholasism and creationism in the end. This is because for me the very fact that humans have the intelligence to figure out things like evolution and other scientific theories proves the exsistence of interference on the part of a divine being. In otherwards, evolutionism and creationism only make sense when they are combined. Besides that it makes it far more interesting.
I think it's time we considered some of the good and bad points of both as opposed to arguing which one is true. Both the faith and the theory should be treated with caution as they can both be corrupted in similar ways to cause racism, prejudice, and bloody wars that kill people based solely on their physical features/beliefs depending on which is causing the war. People in history have interpeted evolution to mean survival of the fittest and have used that as an excuse to discriminate against anyone that they consider to be unfit. This is not much different from the way people discriminate against others based on religion. Some people have discriminated against people based on both saying that belief in a certain religion is akin to a genetic default. I think that evolution should be taught in schools, partly because I found genetics at least to be very interesting and it's useful for when I making up a fictional world to write about. As for religion, religion gets taught whether it shouldn't or should. It's so involved in human history that the basics of each religion end up gettning covered in order for understanding of historical events that tie in with those religions. There are parts of each that I disagree with but there are also parts of both that I agree very much. They should both be taught in schools in such a way that they balance eachother out and allow students to make educated choices about their own beliefs.
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