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More 40 miles are more about 2 days of walking, and they were tired. Even if they got few hours after the time they did get, most of Gondor's army was destroyed, inclueding, probably, Aragorn. |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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They were north to Cirith Ungol. Osgiliath is south (west) to Cirith Ungol. If you go from where ever they were, south, and than north again, it's about 40 miles more. could be 30 actually; depends where they were exactly. |
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11-22-2003, 03:42 PM | #111 |
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I finished watching the cast commentary last night. I have to say, I love Dom and Billy, they are so funny! It was a humorous contrast to go from them talking to Christopher Lee or John Rhys-Davies.
I liked how they changed the grouping of the hobbits to reflect their grouping in the film: instead of Dom, Billy, Elijah, and Sean, this time Dom and Billy are together, and Elijah and Sean are with Andy Serkis. What is interesting is that the commentary of each actor reflected a little of their character unintentionally (except Elijah, Sean and Andy -- they kept going off on these intellectual discussions, maybe like Frodo would have done, but not Sam or Gollum!). For instance, Miranda Otto said how she fought with PJ a little about letting Eowyn have some scenes where she fights in Helm's Deep, which she ultimately lost. It was funny because it sounded like what Eowyn would really have done! There were other instances like this with other actors, it was just funny to compare them to their characters. (Oh and except for Bernard Hill, too -- he kept cursing! ) Liv, Viggo and Ian did not participate in the Commentary, and I wonder why (maybe they were off doing other projects). It was mentioned a few times how Arwen was included in Helm's Deep, but then had to be erased after they decided not to include her there (whew!). It was nice to hear a little from Haldir (I forget the actor's name); he talked about the scene in Lorien that ended up being cut. It's too bad, I'd like to have seen it. I have to say it was great to see Sean Bean again. That's one of my favorite scenes in the EE. I did NOT like the more violent Gondorians kicking Gollum, etc. David Wenham said there was even more done to him, cruel stuff, that they didn't put back in (thank goodness), and that luckily they didn't have Faramir participating in the "roughing up." He said if they had, "the purists would really be up in arms." I do think the extra scenes did a LITTLE more to explain Faramir's behavior, and it just irritates me that they weren't left in the theatrical ed. Oh, and one more thing: I didn't realize Sean Astin is John Astin's son (I knew MacKenzie Astin was John Astin's son, but I didn't know Sean was his brother). Sean must take after his mother more. The way I figured it out was when Sean says "my dad worked with PJ and Fran for Frighteners," and I put the two together. Which also reminds me that a lot of the cast commentary was like a mutual admiration society. They were all just praising each other a lot, which got a little old. That's why it was nice to have Dom and Billy's humor, it took everything down a notch. I keep editing this post because I keep remembering stuff I was going to mention: Sean Astin in that same part talks about how he hadn't read LotR before getting the part and didn't even know what it was really, but he wanted to work w/ PJ because of his dad's positive experience w/ them. Since then he has read LotR three times. |
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(pasted from 'favorites scenes...')
I really liked the scene with boromir & faramir and their father. It really kind of expands on Faramir and Boromir's relationship and situation, and provides a decent motivation for Faramir's change of character. It's one of the only?/few? instances of a troubled character because of difficult family situations/conflict.... in LOTR. However, is there anything about ROTK on the TT:EE? I thought there was a preview of ROTK on the theatrical version... I just got the tt:ee today and I like it a lot. it kind of adds some personality to the film. But is everything from the theatrical version also on the extended one? A preview for ROTK? a trailer? Anything?
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I haven't been through all of the extras, but I think there is more on this dvd than the TE. I was disappointed though that there is no RotK trailer. I'm guessing that they didn't put one on there in part because they didn't want to include any scenes that end up NOT being in the RotK TE (for instance, showing part of the Saruman stuff that has now been pulled).
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Here are the links to all RotK Trailer: http://www.lordoftherings.net/trailer_rotk/video.html 4 Extra sneak peaks: http://www.lordoftherings.net/legend/video/
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I found Faramir’s men kicking and beating the crap out of Gollum annoying. For me, it certainly undermined their attempt to increase my sympathy for Faramir via the extra Denethor scenes. I still give Faramir an F.
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I agree, squinty, the fact that he let them rough him up didn't add to my view of movie-Faramir's character as closer to that of the book. I think they shot it originally because they felt they needed to make it very obvious to the viewers WHY Gollum felt betrayed by Frodo. But I thought it came across fine (it's hard to say because of the fact that I'd already read the books -- but then again, I think the audience has suspended disbelief enough with Gollum that they could easily buy that he feels betrayed.) I don't know why they added it back in. |
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Just been watching the directors comentry its a very strange thing as he allways speaks of not loseing momentom yet he goes on about sceans that he has just invented been important. He also IMHO seems to focused to try and find the comedy of the situation. There is very little comedy in LOTR and there shouldnt be its some quite serious s*** thats going down.
Its is however clear that the Warg attack he also thinks was terriable! If any director says we should of had more time or things were not as good as they could of been basically means this was a pile of crap As for Theoden i dont understand what he ment by taking him upon a journy. He seems to want to take every character and take them from a point of been a bit unsure and stupid and take them to a point of been a Hero. Now as for Theoden as soon as he is cured in the books he becomes who he is and who all the people of Rohan are and that is Heros its not character development its who he is! Also strange pomt about Aragorn just falling into the background in the book this could not be further from the truth if he stuck to the narative then acctually for one of the brief points of the story this is were Tolkien acctually switches to Aragorn POV
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