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I think what Jackson was trying to display was how inhospitable the weather and how much a nice warm bed in an inn would be welcome after a long scary soujorn through the wilderness. Anywhere, even home is dreary when it is dark and rainy.
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waiting for any argument for Bree. ahem, cough, Jersey Devil, cough. Or any new scene that hasn't been debated to shreads.
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Good point, and i can see where I am beaten on this subject which is off of the subject anyways.... but the town was built to look scary and oppressive in the movies. I know it didn't rain, but my point was and is that skipping all of the dark parts in the barrows, maybe he wished to intensify the feeling of unhappiness. I am not justifying it, I am giving it purpose. these are just my own theories so don't take it for Jackson gospel, if there is such a ridiculous thing.**coughBBisthepastorcough**
*note* I ,unlike BB, will accept when they are wrong and not continually say "I am right and you are wrong" even when I know I am wrong.
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Perfect argument! See in the book it also talks more about Bill Ferny and the Foreigner eyeing them closer. As well as after Frodo has the ring on. Everyone gets very upset, even Butterbur has a talk with Frodo about never doing anything like that again. The mood very well could be dark. As well as no news from Gandalf along with Merry missing. It is very dark and dreary in the books as well. I see nothing that implements Bree was all merry and happy except the quote you said about the people merrily singing inside. Since the a dark sky with some stars really doesn't lighten the mood much.
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Back on the subject. As I said earlier you need to define action in moviemaking. From what I know, the movies are not a bunch of "loosely connected action scenes" and the show does have a plot unlike "die hard" or "lethal weapon" which are both about get revenge and kill lots of stuff and blow up people every ten minutes. If it was just action then the movie would have been half as long and skipped the story. Gandalf would know karate, the hobbits would do matrix stuff, and the elves would dress like 10th century english punk rockers with 'tude.
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I have to agree with that last part. We are all sick of being called one person and no I havn't seen BB admit he is wrong.
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As to the issue of the fan base. You must remember that this book has been around a while and done very well without advertisement. People have taken their children to see it because they enjoyed it as children. Word of mouth and reputation. The buzz was there because of the fan base. Popularity works this way. Recognition and word of mouth combined with the movies media blitz makes a powerful statement. If the movies had been made about some unknown book, by some unknown director, with no major stars, do you really think anyone would be lining up on the first day, pushing the boxoffice through the roof? Almost everyone in line for The FotR had read the book. I glad others jumped on the bandwagon and enjoyed the movie and eventually the book. This was far from a long shot, except making it as a trilogy, with PJ desersve kudos for pushing, as the story would make no sense in a short film. It was fortunate the project came up during the economic bubble or it might not have been made.
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Having a DESOLATE town with most people going to sleep - with shadows and hearing doors slam or hoofs in the distance or horses neighing would have generated the fear that is descibed by Tolkien. it would have given the sense that they were alone - walking into the unknown. he should have had them walking alone - with the hobbits straring up at the windows and the houses. But no - Jackson didn't do any of that. He went for rain and people lying drunk in the streets instead. The typical D&D rouffian town - with thieves and beggars.
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I thought it was quite worthless keeping that in so I deleted it, obviously I was wrong. My point was the hobbits were frightened when coming to Bree. (Sams thoughts) Next was that they had a false sense of comfort. They felt everything was great and we have no reason to feel that the ring wraiths are around every corner. (the reader doesn't even know) Because in the books it gives nothing except the merriness of the inn. That gives me no tension. The only tension there is to feel is from the events happening inside the inn. But if there were wraiths around everycorner, like you say it makes you feel. Then Bree is infact a place at the moment that is dark and dreary, with some fear and tension. And if you are thinking the book portrays it as riders around everycorner, then why say Bree is too dark in the movies. Or is it just because he didn't go with your, Everyone in Bree inside houses, no busling on the streets, why on earth wouldn't there be. Especially after they talk about all the people coming up there way to find homes. So what you are saying is you would've liked Jackson to make a pleasant inn, clear sky, bright stars, lots and lots of singing and good times, (like you said it was) thus presenting a very uplifting atmosphere. And you wouldn't want it to be rainy like Jackson made it. cuz it just ruins the mood tolkein set huh?But at the very same time cause fear and tension with riders around every corner. "pyschological fear" like youve said, that is pretty scary. Hard to have it both ways JD. |
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As they entered into Bree - he could have shown Bree as just a normal town and then demonstrated that Sams imagination was getting the best of him. Instead with the movie - the whole scene is dark - when they enter the inn - it is dark. Jackson did not build up the tension or anything of them walking through the streets. It's more like the hobbits were just disgusted by the sight of the filth and more concerned with being mugged than they were of black rider being behind every corner.
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I see "some" of your points reasonable. Basically Bree is like any other busy city. Bums, trash, its all there, the good and the bad. But I still don't see how you would have done it. make it pleasant, but riders everywhere, causing the most psychological terror. I just don't see it happening on screen. I encourage you to try and film such a scenario. No truly, I have done many LOTR scenes myself. I'm interested if you could transfer that. I understand if you dont want to try, to busy, I know its not easy. But seriously i would really like to see that.
Anyways this was good debating a new scene.(osgiliath, exorcism,wizard duel, flight to the ford.) Well think of another "new" part of the film to discuss. |
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