Wraiths

[Embladyne]

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

How come Aule's Maiar always seem to go bad? Sauron and Saruman were both of Aule's Maiar.

I think it has to do with the pride in making things....remember how Aule made the dwarves before he was supposed to?
And this pride can often make the weilders of power feel as though they have the abilities of Eru to control the world.

[Attalus]

Originally Posted by Embladyne

I think it has to do with the pride in making things....remember how Aule made the dwarves before he was supposed to?
And this pride can often make the weilders of power feel as though they have the abilities of Eru to control the world.

That is theologically sound. Pride (Hubris) is supposed to be most deadly of all the sins.

[Embladyne]

Originally Posted by Attalus

That is theologically sound. Pride (Hubris) is supposed to be most deadly of all the sins.

Yeah, I hadn't really thought about it before, but now...it opens up a whole 'nother realm of discussion...

[ItalianLegolas]

thats ok, since the original topic disapeared about 500 miles back.

[Embladyne]

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

thats ok, since the original topic disapeared about 500 miles back.

Yeah, a lot of that was my fault....I think

[ItalianLegolas]

to far back to remember, maybe you should start a new topic about the Istari, just so if Nurv comes by she doesn't start yelling at us for being off topic.

[Embladyne]

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

to far back to remember, maybe you should start a new topic about the Istari, just so if Nurv comes by she doesn't start yelling at us for being off topic.

Nah, there are aready threads on the istari...maybe I should go babble in the teacup....or get off my computer and go iceskating...

[ItalianLegolas]

where are you anyway? up in NJ they promised us snow and it never came stupid weathermen

[Embladyne]

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

where are you anyway? up in NJ they promised us snow and it never came stupid weathermen

Right now, I'm in central Massachussetts.....We have plenty of snow today.

"And no, I have not seen any wraiths lately. What? You say you saw one pass this way? Do no jest sir, none save you have passed this way today."

[ItalianLegolas]

oh well, their saying it will snow tonight.

And if it doesn't...

there will be hell to pay.

or Angband.

[Pytt]

Oh, is this the new thread on snow? I walked around, and just stumbeld into this odd place... Here it is snow, but it is melting, not very fast but until the weekend I don't think we have more snow

[Blackheart]

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

How come Aule's Maiar always seem to go bad? Sauron and Saruman were both of Aule's Maiar.

Tolkien was reputed to have a grudge against technology for technology's sake. He didn't like what industrialization was doing to the English countryside. Aule would be Vala of the realm of technology.

[Elemmírë]

So much snow my hands are freezing. Well, that's from talking on a cellphone with no gloves on... (see, I do have a life off the Moot ) Now, 'bout that skating...

That being said, this really needs to be split into a new thread. The last 20-30 posts, probably.

About Aulë and his Maiar: what interested me about Aulë was the part in the Silm where it is said: "Melkor was jealous of him, for Aulë was most like himself in thought and in powers..." I think that sheds some light on the fact that Maiar who went bad, specifically Saruman and Sauron, were originally of his following.

Attalus definitely has a point in saying that pride is the worst of sins (and not just from a Christian standpoint ), and I couldn't help but think of Fëanor when he wrote that...

Speaking of which, the Noldor themselves were most loved by Aulë too... Coincidence?

[me9996]

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

thats ok, since the original topic disapeared about 500 miles back.

It was about anything wraith.
And now that we have reched (Some) conclution let's just talk about wraiths

[ItalianLegolas]

wraiths are evil ghost thingies. There we go. We have discovered the answer

[Embladyne]

Originally Posted by Elemmire

About Aulë and his Maiar: what interested me about Aulë was the part in the Silm where it is said: "Melkor was jealous of him, for Aulë was most like himself in thought and in powers..." I think that sheds some light on the fact that Maiar who went bad, specifically Saruman and Sauron, were originally of his following.

Attalus definitely has a point in saying that pride is the worst of sins (and not just from a Christian standpoint ), and I couldn't help but think of Fëanor when he wrote that...

Speaking of which, the Noldor themselves were most loved by Aulë too... Coincidence?

Yeah, since we were just talking about this at dinner...or was it after dinner when we sat at the table for half an hour after everyone else had left?

I was saying that I thought maybe some of it had to do with how much the creator of objects had invested themself in their creation. Because with Sauron, Feanor, and I believe, Saruman, they each had too much pride in their powers as creators of things.
Interesting to note that elven women put much of their spirit into their children, and Feanor's mother was so diminished with his birth. Maybe that was a forewarning?

[ItalianLegolas]

a forewarning that Feanor would be a vain, crazy Elven-smith, who decided to ride into the midst of a whole company of Balrogs, without even one measly bodyguard?? yeah, we shoulda known

[Elemmírë]

If you don't want to start a new thread; what the heck, put it in the Wraiths one!

Who splits threads, moderators or admins?

Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

wraiths are evil ghost thingies. There we go. We have discovered the answer

Hear, hear!

[Embladyne]

Originally Posted by Elemmire

If you don't want to start a new thread; what the heck, put it in the Wraiths one!

Heck, I don't see why not. Yeah, this really should be split.

[Elemmírë]

Me# should get Val or one of the others to rename this "Middle Earth Miscellaneous"!