Why LOTR is the work of the devil - Page 6

cassiopeia · 08-24-2002, 12:59 AM

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Many people believe in magic. To this day, people still do blood sacrifices and try to channel spirits. I think its rediculous, but many people do believe in magic and such. If you want examples go to Salem, MA or watch John Edwards.

Thats why the world is declining...........

Christiana · 08-24-2002, 07:18 PM

i belive in magic,but not in the flashy kind.i mean,the gift of life is magical.you might not bealbbe to touch magic,but it is there.and stop dissing kids.

Entlover · 08-24-2002, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by barrelrider110
I don't think he intended to label LoTR as an evil work. Mr. Cloud is entitled to his opinion.

I disagree. Having glanced over the article again, it appears to me that he is labelling LotR as occult and therefore evil. He also finds fault with Tolkien for being Catholic, clearly equating Catholicism with occultism. Having been an Evangelical Christian who converted to Catholicism, I find his attitude slightly idiotic. Fools are certainly welcome to their opinions, but I don't have to pay any attention to them.

BeardofPants · 08-24-2002, 11:44 PM

Hear! Hear!

(Nobody had better start a debate on which "hear" that is supposed to be! If it's good enough for tolkien, it's good enough for me.)

Sicirus · 08-25-2002, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Entlover

I disagree. Having glanced over the article again, it appears to me that he is labelling LotR as occult and therefore evil. He also finds fault with Tolkien for being Catholic, clearly equating Catholicism with occultism. Having been an Evangelical Christian who converted to Catholicism, I find his attitude slightly idiotic. Fools are certainly welcome to their opinions, but I don't have to pay any attention to them.

I agree with you on that.

Allorien · 08-25-2002, 01:50 PM

Jeez. Some people, hey??? They think that unless a book is titled "The Holy Bible" it's of the devil (mind you, that is only some, like that guy. I'm not saying ALL christians/catholics are like that) Man, that guy was a jackpot.
Oh did anyone read his assessment of Harry Potter? (I know it' kinda off-topic, but it's on the same site we're talking about) Well J.K. Rowling is just as much of a Satan-Worshipping demon as a devout Catholic man who converted CS Lewis to Christianity. Jeez some people!!!!
Hey lets all go burn our Tolkien books and movies because although they are about good defeating evil, small beings changing the future, because some people have found Christian stuff in them, and because the man who wrote them was himself a catholic they are EVIL. Just cuz some moron says so.

Sicirus · 08-25-2002, 08:17 PM

There are alot of people like that. But it doesen't mean all christians beleive that. Course burning a book won't get rid of everyones opinions that like the books.

RosieCotton · 08-28-2002, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Sicirus
There are alot of people like that. But it doesen't mean all christians beleive that. Course burning a book won't get rid of everyones opinions that like the books.

Good point. Even if they would ban books like LotR *shiver* that wouldn't make us dislike them or think they are immoral.

samwiselvr2008 · 08-28-2002, 04:46 PM

Hey, is it okay if I e- mailed whoever wrote that and gave him this page? Did anyone do that yet? That is of course if he has a thing on his page so that you can email him!

Comic Book Guy · 08-28-2002, 05:27 PM

No, Entmoot cannot allow that.

samwiselvr2008 · 08-28-2002, 07:52 PM

okay, sorry

Beruthiel · 08-29-2002, 06:05 AM

Whoa, I'm not going to get angry about this fellow's article because it was so poorly written.
He forgot that Gandalf is an "angel", not a wizard. The word "wizard" was used to reflect the English translation of Maiar. It was the closest translation possible.

The only witch would be Galadriel, whom Boromir was afeared of. She performs a divination. That in itself is done by many Catholics, although they call it entertainment these days. (See astrology, tarot, party games.) Occult might descibe some things, like the Balrogs, but it does not really account for anything else. Indeed, when Sam asks the Elves "Are they magic cloaks?" The Elves laugh at Sam. Magic is not magic, it is science to them, or traditional crafts.

Linarryl · 10-22-2002, 01:49 PM

Grrrrr.... curse them.....Grrrrr....

Tar-Palantir · 10-22-2002, 02:57 PM

[I'm won't even say what I think of people like this and the bible.]

I hope you aren't making the mistake of thinking people like this represent what the Bible is about. There are idiots in every circle. Wouldn't you agree?

I'm a conservative, evangelical Christian. I also think David Cloud is an idiot. And I'm reading THE HOBBIT to my six year old. Does that make you feel any better?

madeyejay · 10-22-2002, 02:59 PM

I think it is very funny when people talk about things being works of the devil or something like that. People like to make too much out of things. Being a big HP fan you hear many of the same things. To me, unless a book is specifisly speaking out about your religion, then don't be so offensive. Take things for what they are. Just because something does not praise your "GOD" or express the truth in your faith, does not mean it is the work of some horned red creature with a long pointed tail.

Tar-Palantir · 10-22-2002, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by madeyejay
I think it is very funny when people talk about things being works of the devil or something like that. People like to make too much out of things. Being a big HP fan you hear many of the same things. To me, unless a book is specifisly speaking out about your religion, then don't be so offensive. Take things for what they are. Just because something does not praise your "GOD" or express the truth in your faith, does not mean it is the work of some horned red creature with a long pointed tail.

You're preaching to the choir here I think. (grin)

Christiana · 10-22-2002, 09:43 PM

im a loyal Christian,but i read tons of books like LOTr.

**crickhollow** · 10-23-2002, 02:06 AM

Have you ever wondered how much these close-minded people miss in the world? I mean it's their own fault, but to go around condemning people to hell is to live a very graceless life. and that's what the christian faith is all about. He reminds me of the story of two men praying in the temple. the first recognizes his sin, and prays, "O LORD, have mercy on me, for I am a sinful man." The second man and says, "O LORD, I thank you that you have not made me like the wretch who is here beside me." can you be more arrogant?

"Christianity of sorts" what does he mean by that? You either are a Christian, or you are not.

*shakes head*

I recently stumbled onto a website that called CS Lewis the "devils wisest fool", and was all about how evil CS Lewis was (mentions something about drinking and smoking as well, as if that automatically condemns one to hell), and (believe it or not) how the Chronicles of Narnia will lead your children into devil worship. I'd post the link, but I did a search, and a lot of the links are broken, so I won't bother. anyway, the main thing he references for the Narnia thing is Silanus (sp?) and Bacchus in Prince Caspian

Lief Erikson · 10-23-2002, 02:45 AM

LOL!

C.S. Lewis leading people to hell. That's rich

.

Oh, but crickhollow, it is possible to be a Christian-of-sorts. There are people who say they're Christian, but who aren't firm in their faith and who don't have a personal relationship with Jesus. There are plenty of people like that, unfortunately, and it is such people as that that cause trouble for Christianity as a whole. Some of them are hard nosed prigs, like the one who posted this message about LoTR, while others don't set any good example, but calling themselves Christians, proceed to do whatever the rest of the world does so long as it feels good for them.

Anyway, that's out of topic. Simply a side-note.

Sminty_Smeagol · 10-23-2002, 06:43 AM

A while back I very POLITELY and PATIENTLY sent him an email explaining that I am a strong Christian but that I have studied Tolkien probably more extensively than he, and I explained the Maiar thing. He never emailed me back. Fools don't like to be corrected...

08-24-2002, 07:18 PM	#102
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	i belive in magic,but not in the flashy kind.i mean,the gift of life is magical.you might not bealbbe to touch magic,but it is there.and stop dissing kids. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

08-24-2002, 11:44 PM	#104
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Hear! Hear! (Nobody had better start a debate on which "hear" that is supposed to be! If it's good enough for tolkien, it's good enough for me.) __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-25-2002, 01:50 PM	#106
Allorien Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: On earth Posts: 48	oh my good god! O.O Jeez. Some people, hey??? They think that unless a book is titled "The Holy Bible" it's of the devil (mind you, that is only some, like that guy. I'm not saying ALL christians/catholics are like that) Man, that guy was a jackpot. Oh did anyone read his assessment of Harry Potter? (I know it' kinda off-topic, but it's on the same site we're talking about) Well J.K. Rowling is just as much of a Satan-Worshipping demon as a devout Catholic man who converted CS Lewis to Christianity. Jeez some people!!!! Hey lets all go burn our Tolkien books and movies because although they are about good defeating evil, small beings changing the future, because some people have found Christian stuff in them, and because the man who wrote them was himself a catholic they are EVIL. Just cuz some moron says so. __________________ ~Allorien~

08-25-2002, 08:17 PM	#107
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	hear hear There are alot of people like that. But it doesen't mean all christians beleive that. Course burning a book won't get rid of everyones opinions that like the books. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

08-28-2002, 04:46 PM	#109
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	Hey, is it okay if I e- mailed whoever wrote that and gave him this page? Did anyone do that yet? That is of course if he has a thing on his page so that you can email him! __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

08-28-2002, 05:27 PM	#110
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	No, Entmoot cannot allow that.

08-28-2002, 07:52 PM	#111
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	okay, sorry __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

08-29-2002, 06:05 AM	#112
Beruthiel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 41	Whoa, I'm not going to get angry about this fellow's article because it was so poorly written. He forgot that Gandalf is an "angel", not a wizard. The word "wizard" was used to reflect the English translation of Maiar. It was the closest translation possible. The only witch would be Galadriel, whom Boromir was afeared of. She performs a divination. That in itself is done by many Catholics, although they call it entertainment these days. (See astrology, tarot, party games.) Occult might descibe some things, like the Balrogs, but it does not really account for anything else. Indeed, when Sam asks the Elves "Are they magic cloaks?" The Elves laugh at Sam. Magic is not magic, it is science to them, or traditional crafts.

10-22-2002, 01:49 PM	#113
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	Grrrrr.... curse them.....Grrrrr....

10-22-2002, 02:57 PM	#114
Tar-Palantir Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 31	[I'm won't even say what I think of people like this and the bible.] I hope you aren't making the mistake of thinking people like this represent what the Bible is about. There are idiots in every circle. Wouldn't you agree? I'm a conservative, evangelical Christian. I also think David Cloud is an idiot. And I'm reading THE HOBBIT to my six year old. Does that make you feel any better?

10-22-2002, 02:59 PM	#115
madeyejay Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 15	I think it is very funny when people talk about things being works of the devil or something like that. People like to make too much out of things. Being a big HP fan you hear many of the same things. To me, unless a book is specifisly speaking out about your religion, then don't be so offensive. Take things for what they are. Just because something does not praise your "GOD" or express the truth in your faith, does not mean it is the work of some horned red creature with a long pointed tail. __________________ Did God create Man, or did Man create God?

10-22-2002, 09:43 PM	#117
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	im a loyal Christian,but i read tons of books like LOTr. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

10-23-2002, 02:06 AM	#118
crickhollow The Buckleberry Fairy/Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas). Posts: 1,345	Have you ever wondered how much these close-minded people miss in the world? I mean it's their own fault, but to go around condemning people to hell is to live a very graceless life. and that's what the christian faith is all about. He reminds me of the story of two men praying in the temple. the first recognizes his sin, and prays, "O LORD, have mercy on me, for I am a sinful man." The second man and says, "O LORD, I thank you that you have not made me like the wretch who is here beside me." can you be more arrogant? "Christianity of sorts" what does he mean by that? You either are a Christian, or you are not. shakes head I recently stumbled onto a website that called CS Lewis the "devils wisest fool", and was all about how evil CS Lewis was (mentions something about drinking and smoking as well, as if that automatically condemns one to hell), and (believe it or not) how the Chronicles of Narnia will lead your children into devil worship. I'd post the link, but I did a search, and a lot of the links are broken, so I won't bother. anyway, the main thing he references for the Narnia thing is Silanus (sp?) and Bacchus in Prince Caspian __________________ A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.

10-23-2002, 02:45 AM	#119
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	LOL! C.S. Lewis leading people to hell. That's rich . Oh, but crickhollow, it is possible to be a Christian-of-sorts. There are people who say they're Christian, but who aren't firm in their faith and who don't have a personal relationship with Jesus. There are plenty of people like that, unfortunately, and it is such people as that that cause trouble for Christianity as a whole. Some of them are hard nosed prigs, like the one who posted this message about LoTR, while others don't set any good example, but calling themselves Christians, proceed to do whatever the rest of the world does so long as it feels good for them. Anyway, that's out of topic. Simply a side-note. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 10-23-2002 at 02:55 AM.

10-23-2002, 06:43 AM	#120
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	email A while back I very POLITELY and PATIENTLY sent him an email explaining that I am a strong Christian but that I have studied Tolkien probably more extensively than he, and I explained the Maiar thing. He never emailed me back. Fools don't like to be corrected...

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