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I think that a 'true' pagan (in my book) would certainly at least chiefly worship the pantheon of his anscestors. Of course, I don't know, but I guess that they would pray to/worship especially a deity who would have to do with a situation that they are in, i.e. if they were going hunting, they would pray to a god of the hunt (assuming such a god did exist in a pantheon); if they were going to war, pray to a war-god, etc.
As for the other pagans, I think that Coney has said that a Pagan worships those gods that he deems worthy of his worship. I think so, but of course I'm not sure. 'Twould seem that Coney has a good deal of questions to answer! Quote:
Hmm...almost...who would that be?
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03-10-2003, 04:50 PM | #103 |
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I have one for you, Coney - was there a fire at work today?
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Might as well start here....
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If your interested you should first look up the word Pagan Pagan isn't a religion, it's a generic word used to describe people who worship Gods other than Christianity/Jewdaism etc. All in all it's a relatively modern word.....ancient people didn't answer 'Pagan' when people asked them their religion As for 'true Pagans' belonging to an unbroken line....well, there may be a family of inbred muntants in some distant valleys that can trace their ancestry and religious following for the last couple of millenia.....personally I don't think it makes any difference when you choose to follow your religion, or if it the same religion that your parents and ancestors followed. |
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I am Cathloic but I dont go to church no more seeing as were always busy on SundaY!
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2. Yep. They all have names (You've just named two yourself, and I'm not gonna sit here and name the lot....mainly because don't know them all). 3.I've never heard of anyone worshipping an actual rock or a tree....many religions do worship the spirits which they believe inhabit them tho' (I think I went into this earlier in the thread somewhere). Symbolism of the five elements is very important in a lot of Pagan religions though. Last edited by Coney : 03-10-2003 at 07:03 PM. |
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Doesn't anyone have any questions for Buddhists?
Re: Jesus as the Messiah, I actually asked a rabbi that, several years ago when I was considering converting to Orthodox Judaism (went with Buddhism instead). It was a difficult question to ask, but he was quite nice about it and referred me to The Real Messiah by Aryeh Kaplan. It's an uncompromising (meaning it may offend some folks), orthodox book that will answer any and all questions you might have on the subject. It's pretty good. I liked it; just checked, and it's still available at Amazon, or you probably could get it through a library. There are actually three strains of Judaism: Orthodox, Conservative and Reform. The Orthodox Jews adhere to all 613 commandments given in the Torah (uh, I think only the rabbis and scholars and maybe some intense lay people read the Talmud -- it's very big and very deep). According to this Orthodox rabbi, the Reform people don't, but go with their own feelings and beliefs more (if I understood him correctly; am a little vague on that). As for the Conservatives, he said, "they pick and they choose." Quote:
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A Neo-Pagan is someone who follows only one Path (doctrine) They worship only one God/Goddess/Pantheon (being a devout follower of say......Hinduism, is a good example)....They worship their chosen diety(s) and no other......Many (but not all) Neo-Pagans also only acknowledge the existance of there chosen belief. A Pagan (proper) acknowleges the existance and power of all dieties......they decide/discover who they worship but try to respect all others, even occasionally joining followers of a different path in their worship (could be seen as 'hedging your bets' ). |
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But...wouldn't the technical meaning of Neo-Pagan mean "new Pagan", thus meaning any modern Pagan, because none of the actual Pagan beliefs of old have been completely preserved?
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EDIT: Star Polish I should have read the rest of the thread. You basically had the same point in your question. Very sharp.
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Not QUITE that originally. I mean like several thousand years ago, before the time of the Romans, like maybe around the days of Egypt as two kingdoms, or maybe earlier.
EDIT: When I say 'didn't they all worship one pantheon/deity', I should have said 'each' instead of 'all'. In other words, each pagan would worship one deity or pantheon, not that they would all worship one deity or pantheon.
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The first religions we have any clue about would probably be the sumerian religion of the first great civilization of sumeria. This was followed by the babylonian religion, the Assyrian religion and then the Egyption religion which kicked in around 15th century BC in the form that we know so well.
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No, those ones you talked about (or maybe somewhat before them, but not too much) were the kind I was talking about. Post-cave-man era.
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