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02-22-2005, 09:32 PM | #101 | |||
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This is not happening... I am not being drawn into this thread against my will...
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Indivisible. Incapable of undergoing division. I wasn't there, of course, but I've heard from pretty good sources that the Civil War occurred. And we're hardly a united country half the time... Not a unitary one or what have you... Not that there's anything wrong with that, don't get me wrong. With liberty and justice for all. Except, of course, for Japanese Americans during WWII, and Native Americans during almost any time. Quote:
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02-22-2005, 09:35 PM | #102 | ||
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As for the term Euro-whiner, oh well. USAmerican after I have asked and other have even asked in the passed for it not to be used - continues to be used. Quote:
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02-22-2005, 09:37 PM | #103 | |
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02-22-2005, 09:41 PM | #104 | |
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02-22-2005, 09:43 PM | #105 | |
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The Confederacy is as much a part of us now as the Constitution or the Cold War. It's not in the Declaration, but neither is the Pledge of Allegiance, especially not with the word "God" in it.
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02-22-2005, 09:43 PM | #106 | |||
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As for the indians - they are now free to do whatever they wish. The EU state which at one time was known as the country of Britain did a hell of a lot to them before we were even a country. Quote:
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02-22-2005, 09:46 PM | #107 | |
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02-22-2005, 09:48 PM | #108 | ||
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02-22-2005, 09:52 PM | #109 | |
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It's not very clearly taught that the civil war was very much about who held governmental power. |
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02-22-2005, 09:53 PM | #110 | |
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02-22-2005, 09:54 PM | #111 | |
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Christianity is a root part of our history. The people that came to America on the Mayflower were Christians. Our founding fathers were Christians. Belief in God from the beginning of our country has been a part of our government and its people. So maintaining the word "God" is a part of our national heritage. It is a part of what our country has always been, even if in the Pledge of Allegiance it was added in later. The Confederacy is not something we are proud of. The Declaration of Independence is. The Pledge of Allegiance is.
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02-22-2005, 09:56 PM | #112 |
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Well aint karma a bitch.
Hypocrisy does not hold long as we have seen here. And the tyranny of and censure by the minority is not lost on the intelligent posters that we have here. Of all people to pick on unfairly but Hemel? How sad... Hemel you may call me a USAmerican if you wish. I dont find insult in it. I accept your genuine statement that it is not meant as an insult. You have your gentleness of character and open ever unhostile approach to posting to back that up with as far as Im concerned. Of course you may not be able to if your wording is clipped each and every time you speak. Alas...
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02-22-2005, 09:57 PM | #113 | ||||
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No. I'm not refusing the believe in the goals of the country. I'm just refusing to claim that they have been realised, because they most certainly have not. Quote:
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Where's the disdain, JD? Should I show my loyalty by claiming that everything in our past is cheery and perfect? Clearly it's not, and I don't see disdain in admitting that sometimes we have been less than wonderful. I have great respect for some of the Americans before us. Washington, Jefferson, the Roosevelts... And others I think should have been shot at birth.
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02-22-2005, 09:59 PM | #114 |
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yes, i make large generalizations.
Also note that the people who came to the U.S. to get rich didn't really care much for independance from the imperial powers that were colonizing the continent. They felt that these imperial powers could protect their monetary property much more effectively.
Not all people who were fighting for thier ideals were poor, though, like I said, I am making HUGE generalizations. (pointless post) |
02-22-2005, 10:03 PM | #115 | ||
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I am happy to live in a free country because...
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02-22-2005, 10:13 PM | #116 | ||
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I'm really behind in this thread...
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JD. I DON'T THINK THE COUNTRY IS CRAP. There are parts of our history to be proud of, and parts to be ashamed of. It's the same as in any other country. And actually, now that I think about it, I have a hard time saying all of the pledge... hm. Quote:
Lief ~ It was a bad example. [edited] Merry, you're right. All the casinos in the world don't erase the past, though. Goodbye, thread. Hm... goodbye Moot, too... I have homework to do!
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02-22-2005, 10:27 PM | #120 | |
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And much as it pains me to admit, I'm thankful to live in a country in which people can have a really acrimonious argument without anyone having to be thrown in jail or sued or anything like that.
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