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Also - it's not just the bloodshed - it's the fanatical belief system and the conflict that it generates. When I lived in Indiana - everyone was Christian - but there was more bigotry and conflict between Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists and the other Christian religions (they had no jews, or anything) than there is between the Muslims, Christians, Jews and the other religions in New Jersey. Quote:
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and i too am what might be called aethist meaning i believe in no religon nor do i recognize any of their portayals of "god". i have my own little world on that.
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Saudi Arabia outlawed Barbie - they said that this jewish doll isn't allowed in Saudi Arabia. It's funny - no one in the US even thought Barbie had a religion. Somehow Saudi Arabia determined she was jewish - no idea how. Maybe they thought that because of Ken - they figure he's missing his anatomy - therefore it must have been a result of a Bris gone SERIOUSLY wrong. It's these kind of remarks and laws made in the Middle East that makes me question their acceptance of others.
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10-16-2003, 08:39 PM | #104 |
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hahahahaha!!! that is a good one! lol! Poor Ken..... well, at least they wont have to worry about pre marrital sex that way!
But anyhoo, i try to avoid making other peoples religion my bussiness, it save me a lot of frustration that way.
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I know this is OT, but I have to let out some steam.
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- riot against all human made institutions, a revolution all over the world, accepting only the rule of God. (Stated by Sayyid Qubt, one of the founders of political islam) - War against all apostate muslim state leaders and their regimes (the view of radical islamists). - Martyrdom: To give your life in the war to (re)establish the islamic state, or the rule of God, as a noble expression of a devoted obedience to God. Personally I have huge problems with this part of islam, since it is against the right of all humans to religious freedom. But I do not think jihad is a central part of the religion of muslims living in peaceful parts of the world, where they've got freedom of religion and there are no dictatorship.
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Then Rwanda occurred. Clinton refused to put our troops into another Somalia situation. The world was outraged by this US decision. Where was Europe - where was the REST OF THE WORLD? WHY WAS IT SOLELY OUR LACK OF INVOLVEMENT THAT GOT POINTED OUT???!!! Europe had NO problem with us going into Bosnia. Again Clinton did not want us to get involved, He wanted Europe to handle it - since it was in Europe. Europe begged us to get involved and we did. Meloshivic didn't attack Europe - attacked no other country than killing his own people. Yet - the US gets ostracized by France, Germany and Russia (the first two countries HIGHLY supported America's action in Bosnia) for going into Iraq. Quote:
That's my problem with the MAJORITY of Europeans and their attitude toward America. Europe is perfectly happy with America - AS LONG AS WE OUR DOING YOUR BIDDING. The US does NOT belong to the world and it is one of the reasons I highly support at this time - the pulling of our troops from South Korea and Europe and other parts of the world. I also support the pullout of the UN. We should treat the UN as an ally - that is all. The United States should go back to a defensive posture and let the world pull some of it's own weight for once. Of course we can't pull our troops out - because the whole world would destabilize because there is no country to take up the slack. Israel would be eliminated, North Korea would march on Seoul, and who knows what would happen in the Middle East. I'm sure without the threat of US involvement - much of the Middle East would go up in flames - with Pakistan attacking India - or India attacking Pakistan, with Iran marching into Iraq, Turkey marching into Iraq, etc etc.
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I don't want to discuss Europe vs. America with you JD, because I would end up not liking you. And besides it is far off topic. But I want to say that when FM used the words 'child' and 'old man' I read it as a joke.
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How would you feel if no matter what your country did - it was wrong? It's damned if we do and damned if we don't. Sween may be tired of me saying this stuff and other Europeans may be tired of me saying this stuff. But when things are said that I disagree with - I will NOT keep quiet. I don't hate Europe - I don't even dislike Europe. I think Europe is a great place - but I am tired of the GENERAL European attitude toward the US. We have far less of a problem with Europe - then Europe seems to have with us. Quote:
Oh and basically there isn't a single person on here that I dislike - even if I strongly disagree with them on some issue.
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In addition what I saw on French news today just further confirms what I think about France and Germany's relationship. I have no trust for those two countries right now and they are the two of the largest and most influencial countries in Europe. I have a feeling that Europe and the US will be at each others throats in a few years - if not down right enemies, even while being trading partners. I think we will have a relationship with Europe like we currently have with China if things continue down the road they are going. Maybe it won't even be all of Europe - maybe Europe will be fractured - on one side the Franco/German supporters and on the other the US supporters. I know many in Europe want to ignore this as a possibility - but I don't think it's that impossible. Actually I think as things stand right now - it is very probable. America and Europe is going to have to work VERY hard to prevent this from happening if we don't want to go down this road.
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And when did this forum become *about* Americans? Isn't it for discussing the view on Moslems (seeing as how - as I have discovered - several entmoot users are rascist [EDITED]? Moslems: They are human. Simple as that. There are those who are potentially the nicest people in the world, that's normal, they're just being human. There are those who are potentially the greatest w/nkers in the world, that's normal, they're just being human; and might I also point out that these statistics have no difference whatsoever from anyone else in the world. Last edited by Sister Golden Hair
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Until humanity conceives a civilization and mindset that is predicated on regarding individuals as individuals, worthy of existing as they are, without being judged by the actions of their neighbors, forefathers, technological achievements, religion, race. or national identity, you are doomed to repeat an age old cycle of violence, suffering, and genocide that has plagued you since your ancestors first realized that there were other people different from them.
I don't think it will happen. In general, humanity is a cancer eating away the earth. I think A Pogoism is called for. "We have met the orcs, and they are us..."
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Heh! Pogo would make a cute avatar.
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I thought some might find this interesting to the topic.
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...&_mpc=news%2e6
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Well, apparently the link above won't work unless you are an aol member. So I will copy and paste the article.
Updated: 04:55 PM EDT General Says He'll Tone Down Rhetoric War on Terror Framed as Religious Battle; 'Enemy Is a Guy Named Satan' By PAULINE JELINEK, AP WASHINGTON (Oct. 17) - A top Pentagon general has said he will tone down his rhetoric after being criticized for casting the war on terror as a religious battle, officials said Friday. But Defense Department lawyers, public affairs officials and others were meeting Friday to try to figure out whether that would be enough to calm the storm of criticism surrounding Army Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, who has said the counterterror war is a battle with Satan. His comments came in speeches - some made in uniform - at evangelical Christian churches. Critics said the remarks could undermine a more than two-year Bush administration effort to promote good relations with Muslims in America, as well as play into the hands of those who have fanned anti-Americanism abroad by casting the counterterror war as an attack on Islam. "I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol." -Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary for intelligence, has told Pentagon officials that he will curtail his speechmaking, officials said. He was expected to issue a written statement Friday. A decorated veteran of foreign campaigns, the three-star general said of a 1993 battle with a Muslim militia leader in Somalia: "I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol." He did not respond Thursday to a request for comment. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday he had not seen Boykin's comments, but he praised the three-star general as "an officer that has an outstanding record in the United States armed forces." Despite repeated questions at a Pentagon press conference, Rumsfeld declined to condemn Boykin's statements or to say whether he would take any action. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he had spoken in uniform at prayer breakfasts, adding he did not think Boykin broke any military rules by giving talks at churches. "There is a very wide gray area on what the rules permit," Myers said. "At first blush, it doesn't look like any rules were broken." But Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee, R-R.I., said that if media reports accurately quoted Boykin, the general's comments were deplorable. And a Muslim rights group called for Boykin to be reassigned from his job, which includes evaluating and providing resources for the intelligence needs of military commanders. "Putting a man with such extremist views in a critical policy-making position sends entirely the wrong message to a Muslim world that is already skeptical about America's motives and intentions," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Awad's statement noted that a verse in the Quran says Muslims believe in the same God as Jews and Christians. Boykin's church speeches, first reported by NBC News and the Los Angeles Times, cast the war on terrorism as a religious battle between Christians and the forces of evil. Appearing in dress uniform before a religious group in Oregon in June, Boykin said Islamic extremists hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian. ... And the enemy is a guy named Satan." Rumsfeld on Thursday repeated the Bush administration position that the war on terrorism is not a war against Islam but against people "who have tried to hijack a religion." The defense secretary said he could not prevent military officials from making controversial statements. The Bush administration has gone to some lengths to court Muslim organizations since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks set off the U.S. war on terror. Muslim leaders have been invited to the White House, and President Bush declared late last year that Islam is a peaceful religion, seeking to distance himself from remarks by conservative Christian leaders Pat Robertson and the Rev. Jerry Falwell. 10/17/03 12:00 EDT Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.
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I like some people because they're nice people, and I dislike others because they aren't. I don't know many muslims (though one of my best friends at my previous school was a muslim; pretty fundamentalistic in his interpretation of the Koran, but a very nice guy), I bet that if I did I'd probably like some of them because they're nice people, and dislike some, because they're not (from my point of view, of course. There's always two sides, two ways of looking at it). And in many situations it's hard to tell the difference, because nice people often become not-so-nice-people when they're attacked. When we say terrorist, we are mostly refering to the suicide-bombers. But we never ask why these people blow themselves up. We just assume that they are evil people, who have probably done nothing else all their lives than planning how to hurt innocent people. We forget that they are, in fact, human. Many of them have perhaps lost their brother or father or son or daughter or mother or sister in the war. If someone kills your family or your friends, then you stop think rationally. You want revenge. You want them to suffer, as much as you or your friends have done. Blowing yourself up is a small price to pay for the pain of your enemies. And it's the same on the other side I guess, the difference being that the Israelis have an army with advanced weapons and use it as a tool to gain revenge instead of suicide-bombings. It doesn't matter who started it; what matters is who's going to put an end to it. Sadly, I can't see how it can be done.
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