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And I agree with you about safe sex Starr, as long as the term safe sex is accompanied by an explanation of what it is, I don' think it's misleading.
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12-03-2004, 12:36 AM | #102 |
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"The trouble with most folks isn't so much their ignorance. It's know'n so many things that ain't so." -- 19th century humorist Josh Billings
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(and I'd just say that I STRONGLY believe that truth should be presented - accurately and completely.)
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Speaking of knowing things, great quote Inked! Did you have any statement in mind when you said that?
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Nurv:"Speaking of knowing things, great quote Inked! Did you have any statement in mind when you said that? "
Well, yes! All the excuses I have had from patients for being pregnant...the main one being: WERE YOU TRYING TO GET PREGNANT? "No." WHAT METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL WERE YOU USING? "None." WHAT PART OF UNPROTECTED SEXUAL INTERCOURSE LEADS TO DIRTY DIAPERS WAS TOO HARD FOR YOU? "But I didn't want to get pregnant!" DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN AUTO ACCIDENT? "No, of course not!" DO YOU WEAR A SEATBELT? "Ummm, (pause for furtive thinking 'cause the point is taken) Yes." NOW, IF YOU DIDN"T INTEND PREGNANCY, YOU WOULD HAVE PLANNED ON PREVENTING IT, RIGHT? "Yes, but I didn't want to get pregnant! I knew it might happen, but I didn't think it would!" WHAT PART OF UNPROTECTED SEX RESULTS IN DIRTY DIAPERS DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? "But, I didn't plan to get pregnant!" YOU WISHED TO NOT GET PREGNANT, BUT YOU DID NOTHING TO PREVENT IT. YOU KNEW THAT PREGNANCY WAS POSSIBLE. YOU HAD UNPROTECTED SEX. "Well, it really didn't matter if I did." THEN YOU PLANNED TO GET PREGNANT BY NOT PREVENTING IT. "Uhh, I really didn't think I would get pregnant." .... Now, loop back up to the initial question and repeat this circuit about 3 or 4 times. That's what I had in mind. People who KNEW the risks and then come in to tell me that it wasn't intentional. What they mean is they wished for a negative outcome, knew the potentials, and engaged in the behaviour, then ACT like it was surprising to get pregnant. This is called pretending it won't happen. The major variants of this theme all run to "my birth control failed". Closer questioning reveals that they failed to a) use a condom properly "just once", b) failed to take their pills AND did not use a backup technique, c) left their OCPs, patch, NuvaRing, diaphragm, condoms at home and "didn't think one week would matter", or d) failed to get their DEPOProvera on time (varies from weeks to months late) with NO BACKUP. In short, all knowingly and intentionally gambled, then act like it's a big surprise when they got pregnant! That's the knowledge I am referring to with Josh Billings' observation.
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Well, I'm also a huge advocate of using more than one method of birth control when having sex and not wanting pregnancy. I'm not active and I don't plan on being so until I'm married (note the "planned"...I've already done things I didn't plan to do, so abstinence fails as well), but I do'nt think I want kids, and even if I do not for a good twelve years or so, so I'm going to be utilizing two or three BCs.
And Rian, I'm not going to let this go until you tell me WHAT you mean by people being misinformed about what condoms protect against. You can't just leave it at "we'll agree to disagree" if you don't completely explain your side. IR, I'm not going to respond because it's way OT.
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I am aware of what I have seen and read; you are NOT. And I stand by my statement, which you are unable to refute because you are NOT aware of what I have seen and read. Quote:
Would you like to share what YOU have seen and read and heard to support your (apparent) opinion that teens are entirely aware of the failure rate of condoms with respect to the various STDs, as well as pregnancy? [EDIT - pulled to PM]
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I abstain from teens... I wait til they're 20
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And most teens have very little self responsibility. I AGREE with teaching and discussing how abstinence is the only 100% effective way to not get pregnant (and I mean full abstinence) or STDs. But to assume that teaching abstinence is actually going to keep kids from having sex is ignorant. While I encourage abstinence, I think that teens should be given ACCURATE information about birth control and avoiding STDS should they choose to be sexually active (which many, and probably a majority, will).
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Or is it?
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If I thought it didn't protect at ALL, I would say something like this: "From what I've seen and read, teens, esp., have a mindset that using a condom will protect them, when actually it does NOT." I guess I don't see the confusion - to me, it seems plain that I thought a condom DOES protect at some level. But if you don't understand it that way, then I'm glad you asked for clarification. How would you suggest that I rewrite it so it is clearer? Quote:
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And I agree with that, Rian. That's HOW sex ed was taught in my school.
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Good for your school! *cheers for Starr's school*
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Yeah, mine too. (And that's how I learned to drive too. But enough with that analogy.) I'm only cheering for our sports teams though.
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Hehe, deleted. *Grumbles about doing research before posting*
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Is anyone else disturbed by this article? I know I am...
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Does anyone take an abstinance-only sex-ed class? What's it like? All thoughts are appreciated.
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Heh... well maybe not all thoughts...
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