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09-01-2004, 09:31 PM | #101 | ||||
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This thread is like a message board version of a pentathlon. *out of breath* You have to go from being an expert at genetics to monastic life in the middle ages to what is love. When is the discus??
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1. oh see this shows that free will WORKS and these poor sinners resorted to temptation. 2. oh this shows that humans are creatures of instinct and even at their most pious and devout and EVEN when their society and their environment has programmed their thinking brain to believe that restricting yourself from normal things is somehow the best thing you can do (for your soul… hm… almost reminds me of the genetic argument really, only that your body becomes a vessel for the soul instead of the genes ) so which one of these would be yours and which one mine? Quote:
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09-01-2004, 10:28 PM | #103 |
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Uh oh! IRex DOES know about beer! I'm am 100% certain, that when life was really rough and short, 100's of years ago,things like beer were VERY important. Wine, coffee, ale, uh...mushrooms anyway... the harder life is, the more important "the escapes" become. Especially after 10, 20, 30 years of bustin your balls just to keep your head above the water! Humans are so human! I love it!
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09-01-2004, 11:01 PM | #104 |
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Great post, Insidious . I was laughing quite a bit as I read the comments about beer. Anyhow, I guess I'll wait on responding for a bit longer to give you something of a chance to catch up.
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But you do raise a good point which is one I should have reinforced when I spoke about human breeding patterns. You mention “modern society”. And the fact of the matter is that we didn’t first appear as humans in modern society. Our development and programming if you will was based on a time when things were much different. When life was powers of ten tougher and you were lucky to live till you were 30. in that kind of a world what I said works just fine. remember I qualified my last example with “imagine it’s the Paleolithic” because that’s the era in which we first emerged as humans. We are no different from how we were then (at least in a large scale appreciable way) so we need to focus how we view human behavior through the lens of ancient history. Not through the era or computers and cars and air conditioning. Our bodies weren’t designed for these. These are new things that actually go counter to our proper evolution. And as an aside that’s why we are all so fat now. Cause we don’t need to walk much anymore. And live like we did 10,000 years ago. So if we apply that caviot to this line of thinking we find it works well. Man breeds as he needs to breed. If your environment is super harsh and 80% of your offspring die before the age of 10 then yer gonna have tons of kids. If your environment is a bit more forgiving and 80% of your offspring live to be breeding age then you don’t need to have 25 kids to maximize your gene potential. And remember (because I know you are thinking well why not just have a bunch anyway because more is better) that TOO many and things go worse. You cant take care of all those kids. You have a limited supply of resources and energy so there needs to be a balance. And the whole mating thing is a big risk anyway! Diseases. Rivals. Wild animals that could sneak up on you in compromising positions… you name it. So its best if our genes are programmed to allow for a delicate balance in breeding patterns depending on environmental stimuli and these other factors we just mentioned. And that’s what we see. Even today. The rich kid is more likely to be successful then even ten of his dirt poor peers. So the rich don’t need to breed like crazy. That being said things like birth control and such are altering the way these ancient evolutionary standards effect us now. Just like cars effect us detrimentally in some ways. Quote:
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Now here's where I'm confused - your next sentence says "Because they help lead to the ultimate goal." Are you saying that humans are AWARE of the goal of their genes to pass themselves on and are helping the genes out? Or that humans are driven to seek food, shelter and social structure by their genes but aren't aware that they're being driven to do this? Or none of the above? Could you please explain this a bit further for me? (and if I don't show up for the next few days, it's because my in-laws are coming over to visit and I may not be able to Moot But I look forward to your explanations, because I want to understand what you believe)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 09-02-2004 at 06:30 PM. |
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(tiring being the minority-position poster in a thread, isn't it?!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Do you have data to back up those claims, IRex, or are these just surmises that you feel make sense?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 09-02-2004 at 06:37 PM. |
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I may not be keeping up quite so well anymore, on all of this. I'm mentally tired a bit more often of late, because I'm involved with another site that's extremely taxing.
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Im aware of it because ive looked into it. You could be aware of it too if you study it some. But if you disagree outright because you hold belief systems that aren’t compatible then why bother asking this question? Its not as if its not in your power TO understand it. You just don’t agree. So your question is pointless. Quote:
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Furthermore, “friend” is a defined term. Like brick or buffalo or banana you will know it when one is there in front of you. a soul is an ethereal and esoteric concept. And not a material one. So it cant really be analogized in the way you tried to above. Quote:
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(I only have time for 3 quick responses - in-laws visiting)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 09-04-2004 at 02:21 PM. |
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(and am finally getting to this one ...)
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Sadaam Hussein allowed many of this people to be subjected to having their hands cut off. My husband and I allowed our son's feet to be cut off. (sorry if that's a little harsh-sounding, but it's true.) Is there a difference between Sadaam's actions and the actions of my husband and me? (careful, IRex )
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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