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well its interesting that there are books on creation, so as much can be taught about it as evolution, but obviously you havent read them, but i agree that it will never be taught in schools
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06-19-2003, 11:10 PM | #1163 |
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thank you captin obvious
same goes for book on evolution, its a theory not a fact, jsut because you believe it does nto make it out to be factual
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Personally, I think it would be best to present as many different myths as are (relatively) widely believed. Though, I must say that if there were only one, while it does make me uncomfortable to say this about my own religion, I think that if one myth were taught (something which, in the mythical hypothesis that beliefs which are not primarily atheistic were actually acknowledged in this day and age by government as more than just "religious institutions", and maybe, just maybe, VALID (yeah, right ) should not be necessary), the Adam and Eve one would, in my experience, be the best one, as it represents the belief of a) at least two (I believe three) different religions, and b) the great majority of those who believe in any creation myth; indeed, quite possibly the majority of people. However, confining it to a single creation myth should not be necessary, in the mythical hypothesis Creation Science is nothing more than a cover to try to get religion taught in schools (for one thing). Quote:
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If you are refering to me thinking that evolution is truth and of course should be taught in schools, then yes. I really have no wish to have others believe exactly as I do. What fun would that be? Quote:
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In everyday speech, "theory" often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution.
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Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them.
Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification.
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*bravo Afro-elf*
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Again, with all due respect: one could argue that the manner in which you attack the great majority of religions is doing that. I must say, that I find it interesting that it is (usually) the atheists who tell everyone that they are arrogant, judgemental, hypocritical, etc., rather than the Christians telling everyone that they're sinners, hellbound, etc. Quite fascinating how many kinds of proselytisers there are. Quote:
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By the way, since you're posting here, I've often wondered what you meant when you said that you have "too much blood on your hands" in topics like this. Do you mean that you've killed people (I doubt this one )? Destroyed faith? What?
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Did you just skip the rest of the article? The part that gave a definition of fact and theory.
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"Not when they forget to leave their religous beliefs at the lab door."
Hmm. I think there may be a bit of a misunderstanding. When they forget to leave their religious beliefs, then they are not liars and false scientists? Also, I love the way people say that, as if atheists always leave their lack of religion at the lab door. Quote:
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GW - im not limited to anything I have to believe, my views change. I probably did say things about there not being any god. I am undecided, but I favor more evolution, athiesm. My veiws and ideas change daily. I AM very openminded. It also seems more likely to me that organized religions are wrong.
I really am still keeping an open mind to what Rian is saying, but she still has not seem any NEW arugments for creation or any NEW arugments against evolution. I've seen all the ones she has mentioned so far.
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and btw, we are more enlightened up here. New England and Middle Colonies ares.
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No, they are separate things as long as you don't let your personal religious beliefs interfere (is what i know Afro-Elf is trying to say).
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