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2) I agree with this. "Micro" evolution I definitely believe in.
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05-26-2003, 05:56 PM | #1142 |
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I have several comments on this subject. Here is the link to the correct thread:
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2) Tolkien writes a good story. That is why I encourage and recommend the books. The bible isn't as much fun to read as LotR, IMO. So, I don't recommend that book. 3) agreed... many seem to find it a personal goal to convert as many people as possible. eek! Always the conversation turns to: let me tell you what Jesus has done for me in my life. *tries to avoid evangelical christians* 4) I'm assuming that you do not know the process of fossilization and that is why you made that post. *sigh* Although it is tempting to post the process here, I will let anyone interested, or who doesn't know look it up on the interenet. I do not know what Christian-creationist centered books or magazines you get your information out of, but any real science book will tell you that fossil records indicate that evolution did in fact take place. Not all animals can be fossilized, however shelled animals are great examples. Look them up. 5) Sorry... I didn't realize. I'll leave then. This will be my last post here. Quote:
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(1) Darwin expected to, didn't he? Now the theory has been updated, because they HAVEN"T been found, but I'm reacting to Ruinel's post that said the fossil record PROVED evolution. Do you agree with her statement? (2) That may be, but there sure are lots of fossils, and of those that DO exist, there are not the originally-expected-amounts of transitional forms, wouldn't you agree? (3) Well, that seems pretty unfair to me - aren't you working backwards? "All" specimens could be considered transitional (BTW, is that the right term?) because that is what the theory of evolution says? Isn't it more integrity-ful (why oh why isn't there an adjective form of "integrity"!) to look impartially at the data and decide whether or not it fits the theory? Wouldn't you say that the fossil record agrees very well with the creation by intelligent design model of living beings appearing fully formed? (4) Weren't the th. of ev. people originally trying v. hard to find transitional forms? Now currently I would say they aren't looking (at least openly), because it is so blatantly obvious that there just aren't many, if any. But if a bunch WERE found, wouldn't that be used to support the th. of ev.? (and rightly so). I think that currently they're not being looked for because they've been looked for for so long and not found.
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Ruinel, I never attempted to bash the Catholic church to protect my own. Recall, I specifically said that my post was to Gwaimir. I do have some problems with some aspects of some of the churches. Heck, in the Bible, PAUL had large problems with some of the churches!
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"One thing you might want to note when considering that, though, is that a lot of Catholic places tend to stifle debate or discussion. There are these things they believe, but they have several beliefs that are not Scripture based. Though of course there are Protestant circles that only accept viewpoints that they hold, and refuse opposing views." MEA. Hardly singling out Catholicism, is it? " I have some difficulties with some of the teachings of the Catholic Church. Not the ones I simply don't believe (Like the bread and wine transforming into real blood and flesh) but the ones that specifically ignore the most vital aspect of our faith, which is the spiritual experience. As well as the part that doesn't encourage discussion and thought based upon the Bible, but upon traditions from the past" "The Spiritual Experience", which if I remember correctly you went to a good degree to disagree with, and indeed "make fun of", if not "mock". So I hardly see why you should have any problem with him saying that. Which leaves ONE thing. The emphasis on Church Tradition, at times over the Bible. As you believe the Bible to be a manmade work, from your viewpoint there is no reason why the Church Tradition should NOT be emphasised over the Bible, if someone's going to be dumb enough to be a Christian in the first place. Really, all he said was that there were things about Catholicism which he disagreed with. Which is what I said too. By the way: sorry. EDIT: Oops, left in part of my post for the evolution thread.
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3) Twats. Wasn't it Pope John Paul who said that we should stop emphasising the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism, and start emphasising the similarities? (the following is applicable to Catholics v. Protestants, not JD) As I've said before, I don't think it matters what denomination you belong to; all the denominations are churches of Christ. Some are right for different people, and I don't presume to think that everything I believe is correct, just because I believe. Although in my life I have seen too much to disbelieve the existence of God, and I take on faith that the Bible is His Word, for reasons well stated by Rian; but pretty much everything else I have begun questioning, based on what I hold to be "absolute", namely God and the Bible. And now I'm rambling, and boring everyone; I'll stop now. 4) Actually, that's where you're wrong about Protestants.
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I might as well leave this topic too if runiel is... its basically turned into "christians pat eachother on the back" topic and also bashing and praising catholocism (why its bad, why its good). I personally could care less about all this. If all this topic is is a bunch of christians, I am definitely leaving this topic. this topic is for all religions, not just christianity. it is very irritating that so many people here think that their religion is so superior, when it is not, and that their way of doing things is best. I am sick and tired of all this "crap" (quoting runiel so cant get mad at me for using that word) about embracing jesus and god or whatever. I am perfectly fine and I certainly do not want any of you to "pray for me." I am not enternally damned as there is no hell anyway. You all make it sound that Christianity is the ONLY way, and if not that the one that makes the most sense and that all other religions are wrong. Christianity is not a cut above the rest, and I'd like to hear from some jews, muslims, or any other religion. ALL we are hearing IS THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Nothing is being accomplished by this topic. Of course athiests will not change their opinions and our eyes just glaze over the quotes from the bible. Christians will also not change their beliefs and continue to just say the same things over again. Seriously not trying to offend anyone, but I am sick of this topic. Everyone should just continue to believe what they believe.
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Any person of any religious belief (or of no belief at all ) is welcome to post anything; I, however, will answer questions and comments based on what I, personally, believe to be true, just like you do.
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I wonder how long the evolution thread will go this time?
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2) The thread starter disagrees. Why does her opinion not matter? 3) Atheists think that their religion is superior. Or rather, that the people who follow it are. They are people who have advanced beyond needing the crutch of theism, or people who don't just lie to themselves to make themselves feel better, or peopel who don't blindly follow someone with no reason whatsoever, except the occasional idiotic "good feeling". You know, no one TRULY thinks all beliefs are equal. Indeed, even "poly-truth" EG, by espousing a belief that there are many truths, denies or excludes the possibility of a single, or even dual truth, and (indirectly) labels those who believe in a single truth as elitists; indeed you yourself do the same thing. 4) That is your opinion, not something you can prove. 5) Alas! I'm fairly sure there are no Muslims on here. Also, I feel it's not fair in the least to blame Christians, because those of other religions don't post here. 6) Ridiculously false. I don't think there's EVER been a Catholic discussion here before. 7) How about debate? How many here actually thought they would "convert" others to their beliefs? I thought the whole purpose of this thread was for DEBATE. It is not the proselytisation thread. I doubt anyone here seriously thought they were going to convert (or "bring out of primitive superstition", as the case may be ) ANYBODY. The purpose, as specified by the "author" of the thread, was for vigorous DEBATE, not gaining converts (which does NOT give us another room in heaven, despite popular belief. :P) I think that people are just overwhelmed by their anti-Christianity (started by the well-meaning but misguided posts a few pages back, by overly enthusiastic Christian), and don't wish to associate with Christianity anymore. Heck, even to Ruinel, I'm just the virgin she can point and laugh at.
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2) her opinion matters to me. Which is why I was originally going to leave the thread. I mistook what she said and it has been pointed out to me that she didn't want this to be an all Christian thread. Ok then. 3) Atheism is not a religion... it is a belief that there is no god(s). It is true that we do not need to believe in a deity in order to have a fulfilling life. However, I do not think of myself as more advanced than anyone else. 4) Hobbit was raised a Jew. That religion does not have a hell. Just because yours does doesn't make it so. 5) Isn't that a shame. *would like some Muslims to post here* 6) ..... n/a 7) I am NOT anti-Christian. I have many Christian friends and I have no problem with them practicing their beliefs as long as they do not put it in my face. People who do, I simply ignore and turn away from. Furthermore, I do not point my finger at you and laugh. I've made a few small jokes about it with you, but if I offended you, I humbly ask your forgiveness. I like conversing with you and would be very sad to think that I have in some way hurt you. Hobbit: Do not leave on my account. I've actually decided to stay and post, but I'm going to be more choosy as to what I post a reply to. Last edited by Ruinel : 05-26-2003 at 07:37 PM. |
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Gwaimir, RÃ*an said that any religion could be discussed in this thread. However, the simple fact is that there isn't anyone who wants to discuss religion much, except those that are Atheist or Christian. None that I have seen as yet, anyway.
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2) Most definitely agree with this. 3) Not necessarily: "Go ye therefore into the world, and preach the gospel to all the nations." Though I think St. Francis of Assissi got it well when he said "Use words if necessary." You said: "Catholics don't recruit - anyone is welcome to go to the church without feeling any pressure whatsoever to "join" . So many of the other Christian religions are almost like cults and blindly follow what they are taught without question." As the "other" was after you were talking about Catholics, I took it that you meant Protestant denominations.
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