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8) I would be interested in hearing just HOW you know that? Tomorrow, of course.
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05-25-2003, 10:52 PM | #1102 |
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ok to lief since the seperation of church and state there has been alot less instances of church persecution (church persecuting unbelievers)
to Runiel well it was an example saying i dont question her her devotion to her cause i question her cause as being the best cause jsut form the results.
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I have no real idea about the spiritual state of your sister, but I am agreeing with Gwaimir that there is a difference between being devout and being born again. A difference which you cannot appreciate as yet, and have no intention of appreciating, for you see it as not existing. Please read the rest of my post, that which you considered too long. It is a defense of myself, and I think you might be on the wrong thread, considering the type of and manner of opinions you have consistently given. I don't think I can respond to your posts anymore. I am sorry for any offense I have given you, and I hope we can converse civily on other threads. |
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well id rather die for my faith then kill someone for my faith, jesus died for his faith if i follow him there is not greater show of devotion to die for what he said
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05-25-2003, 11:08 PM | #1106 |
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Luckily, the Bible doesn't order Christians to kill anyone. The Old Testament rules for the Israelites did, but that was a very different circumstance than we have now. Also they were for the state, rather than because of the individuals. They were law.
Except in the situations where God commanded people to go and destroy others, like the Canaanite massacres. There was a judgement commanded though, because the wickedness of those people was a stench in God's nostrils. The "brutality" of God is commonly brought up by nonChristians. That's one problem I have with the outlook some Atheists have. They aren't interested enough to look at the details when they bring up a problem like that, or to go into real biblical analysis. Life is complex, science is complex, if a religion is correct, isn't it logical that it would be complex as well, in some areas? |
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2) Goodness! I don't think that was what he meant. I believe that was just an example, of differentiating between the devotion and the cause. 3) Goodness! (again) I'd certainly never say that; aside from the fact that there is obviously nothing wrong with abstinence (I don't mean THAT ), I find the Catholic church to be absolutely fascinating, and just might join, if not for a couple major doctrinal differences, especially Justification, which I cannot reconcile to my own belief, or to Epehesians 2:8-9. Who knows, though, maybe I'll just ignore that part.
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05-25-2003, 11:13 PM | #1108 |
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Which particular things about the Catholic religion would you join it for? I mean, which things do you think Protestants have incorrect which Catholics do do correctly? I'm very curious .
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05-25-2003, 11:17 PM | #1109 |
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Oh, I don't know that it's really doctrinal differences, so much as the overall feel. I don't really think it matters what denomination (or lack thereof) you belong to, as much as that you are a true Christian. Catholics can easily be Christians (as much as Protestants would deny it ), Anglicans can, non-denominationals can be not true Christians, and so on. The atmosphere and beauty of the Catholic Church just feels right for me, of course assuming that it has "that certain special something".
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That's true. One thing you might want to note when considering that, though, is that a lot of Catholic places tend to stifle debate or discussion. There are these things they believe, but they have several beliefs that are not Scripture based. Though of course there are Protestant circles that only accept viewpoints that they hold, and refuse opposing views.
What about the feel of the Catholic church do you like so much? By the way, I'll understand if you can't answer very precisely. It's the sort of question my Grandma might put to me, and which I'd be a bit flummexed by. At least it's over Internet . |
05-25-2003, 11:41 PM | #1111 | |
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Well, I have a very deep, deep sense of ritual. I feel that that sort of thing beautifies Truth. Although, if it has no real Truth (first FAITH, then "that certain special something", now Truth; It's a wonder I don't put all the 'Mooters' brains into overload ) behind it, it is an empty shell, just as any form of Christianity is. Also, I love the sense of "old" that comes with a Church that's over 1500 years of age. Also, I feel it has a bigger sense of "church" than Protestantism, though I can't describe it better than that. There's more to it than that, but I can't express it. I tend to get tongue-tied rather easily, despite the fact my IQ test said I was a Word-Warrior. O, boy, do I ever know what you mean. My mom asks me questions that "flummex" me all the time!
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Okay, well that's up to you. But it doesn't really sound like you'd be becoming a Catholic. You'd be merely going to a Catholic church.
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Eh?
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05-26-2003, 12:17 AM | #1115 |
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You're Canadian, too?
I was referring to the fact that there is often some...ah...tension between Protestants and Catholics. My mother isn't very fond of Catholicism, and I've heard some anti-Catholic sentiment from Protestant online friends. Not strong, but some. EDIT: Fountain Valley, CA! It's true!
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So, those are my chief beefs with Catholicism. I have HUGE problems with liberal Christianity, though. Too many Protestants are strongly liberal, and water down to nothing our most vital beliefs. That is something I have encountered a lot, and am trying to fight against, though in Christ's way, naturally. Not hitting them over the head with a book . Like the way many Christians are destroying the Bible by not having major problems with abortion, homosexuality, divorce, things that are explicitly spoken against in the Scripture. Others say that the Bible is too weak, has been retranslated too many times and can be interpreted any which way. In one blow, that view destroys all Christianity. It means "believe whatever you want to believe," and it is not Christian. NOTE: This particular post is addressed solely to Gwaimir, not to nonChristians . |
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I couldn't agree more!
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Hmmm... seems like this thread has turned to Catholic-bashing in order to take the heat off of Christianity, by offering Catholicism up as the sacrificial lamb. Care for a white robe and hood, fellas?
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