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04-13-2004, 06:46 PM | #1082 | |
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i believe it was a human who wrote that we were made in his image... maybe a bit of biased
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04-13-2004, 07:12 PM | #1083 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 04-13-2004 at 07:37 PM. |
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04-13-2004, 09:32 PM | #1085 | |
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I find it absurd that a creative force would be so concerned with the nitty gritty gossipy details of a vanishingly insignificant portion of its creation. In fact I have a hard time even approaching the idea of an unfathomable creative force in the same sentence with a petty human like concern for what we do. it seems to me by definition a creative force capable of creating ALL this would be beyond describing in such terms. in fact powers beyond. we couldnt approach it. The problem is of course is that this agrument is forever cycling. For the logical reply as a christian should be well its because HE is all powerful so even though he is super big and powerful and can do everything and we are small he is still capable of being concerned with our every move BECAUSE he is all powerful! And where does that leave my argument that a creative force cant be approached in human terms?
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04-13-2004, 10:52 PM | #1088 |
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nah, thats just trickery. everyone knows its turtles all the way down.....
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It seems to me that it would be rather out of character for God to make us the center of the universe, which would make it seem as though we were the center of everything. In reality we are not, either in our lives or not. Our planet Earth circles the sun, which in many ways can represent God. The sun does not circle us. Quote:
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In the Old and New Testaments, you can see examples of God's judgment. Christ's power empowered Paul once to strike a man blind, for speaking against God's way. Christ's power also killed two people through Simon Peter, people that lied to the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ speaks many, many times about hell in the gospels. Justice is a necessary part of God's nature. Mercy is a part of his nature too, enormously great mercy. It says in the Scripture that every wrong thing we do, we do to him. He knows exactly what we do to one another her on Earth, and we are doing it to him also. It is with great patience that he holds off from judging humanity, as he endures with us. If you want to see another very strong parallel between God the Father and Jesus Christ, look at the ceremonial practices of the ancient Jews. The Passover and blood sacrifice was strongly symbolic of Christ's final sacrifice. It was because justice had to be met that Jesus died on the cross. He couldn't just give cheap forgiveness to everyone. The judgment had to be met, the gun had to be shot. Yet because of his love, he took the blast himself. In Old and New Testaments, we see a powerful emphasis upon justice. However, in both Testaments we also find a strong emphasis upon mercy. In Ezekial (OT), God said, "Do I take pleasure in the death of the wicked?" In the Old Testament, God sent Jonah to Nineveh to give the great Assyrian city, with all of its exquisite tortures, oppulant wealth and crushing dominance, to preach repentance. He showed in his conversation with Jonah that he loved the city, that he cared very deeply about all that lived there. In the Old Testament, God warned the Israelites repeatedly, again and again, to turn back to him through the prophets. He did not want to destroy them. Quote:
The boy Jesus grew up within the bonds of time. He learned with his human mind, growing up as a normal boy would. He would have grown up with the language of the people around him, just as human babies would. At the same time, he was omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. Even the few mentionings of his early life indicate that, such as where he says to his parents after they were frantically looking for him, "Did you not know I would be in my Father's house?" |
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Hi Lief! We're both up late We need to meet sometime! I think we're heading over to your neck of the woods in late June - I'll give you a heads-up
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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As for how much you feel your own religion. That certainly sounds nice. Nearly every person alive would very likely end up a happy man after death. However, that view is saying that it is our beliefs or our emotions, or our feelings, which determine reality. We can see clearly that our beliefs, emotions or feelings do not determine reality around us on Earth. If I really, truly and absolutely believe that you are God, able to do anything, creator of the universe, does that make it true? Even after we have both died, does my belief or sincerity make it true? Quote:
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04-14-2004, 05:45 AM | #1095 | |
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04-14-2004, 09:13 AM | #1097 | |
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animals fight over territory, food, and mates, such things essential to their existence humans fight over religion, and the ability to rule over other people not really essential to the survival of the species, eh? |
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04-14-2004, 09:54 AM | #1098 |
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What you need to take into account is that nothing really matters when it comes down to it. You either belive or you dont. you cant be converted, its probably a impossaiblity. You hear of people becoming bhuddists just because its 'in' at the moment. What do you all think of that?
Religion is all a irrevance in my mind, its a common goal most people want to belive, but find them selves not as they prove day in and out that they are 'sinners' in the eyes of thier God. People may say they follow a religion, but in truth there just kidding themselves..
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No offence taken at all ... isn´t almost everything *flawed* in life? Like the Buddhist philosophy 'commands' (IOW): One should not talk, think or act evil, but always (try to) talk, think and act good. The concept of karma seems to me somewhat like a bank account: you can de- and increase what you´ve got... and you will be judged by your karma 'account'... willingly hurting others definitely diminishes your 'deposit' of karma... so of course we have all done that once or even often... but we should not do so ... and I won´t deny that I have killed mosquitos, spiders, wasps... not to mention the millions of ants I´ve killed most likely walking on some patch of grass (but these won´t count I hope ´cause it was UNwillingly, I didn´t mean to step on them, and you won´t believe it but sometimes I really keep looking for them)... the question is: are animals as worthy as humans? Or are they just a kind of garment, so that we have some 'entertainment' (like with nightingales or butterflies)... Is killing a human a sin, but killing a bee not? Why not? Because they are not sentient, sapient entities? Why knows? Dolphins (I know that comparison has been discussed for years by more intelligent persons than I am) have highly developped brains... they have a language... they communicate with each other... you know all the arguments I guess... SORRY... Getting lost in my thoughts ! Quote:
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Just kidding ... English ain´t my mothertongue (as I´ve mentioned before on the board)... so if you find any mistakes I make... you can keep them! My ultimate rule is just the number ONE, there are others... like: help others when they need it, make fun of yourself if others need cheering up ... oh well I´ve never catalogized them yet... they just kind of pop up *laugh*... The reincarnation thinggy I´ll answer later... my one and only brain cell just insisted on a break !
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