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In conclusion - are saying that it was right - in hindisght - to wait for 9/11 to happen before getting the worlds "permission" to take on Bin Ladin?? The world was outraged we were attacking him after he blew up our embassies.
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I love how the world thinks that the US should work unilaterally with North Korea - but seems so upset with us at even the hint that we would act unilaterally with Iraq.
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03-13-2003, 01:21 PM | #1084 |
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03-13-2003, 02:18 PM | #1086 | |
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/me stands up and claps!! I never have agreed with Isolationism, until I've seen opinions by people across the world. The world would be lost and would become a barren wasteland full of warlords if the US closed itself off from everyone. Maybe that is what we need to do just to show the world how important we really are to them...
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03-13-2003, 02:36 PM | #1087 |
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nah, u r pushing it too much.
America gives aid n all. but not so much as to stall the economies if it cuts it. and its policeman like attitude is rather just a menace. nothing to be proud pf. In fact on the other hand, AMerica needs to be taught a lesson. How important the world is to America, will be made clear when America indeed is isolated. so get ready America. your time has come. *i have nothing against america, i speak here as a world citizen*
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I've thought the US should become more isolationist for a LONG time and no Coney - nothing was mentioned about closing our borders. It would be more difficult to come in - we can't have every refuge from the war torn world knocking our door. If that happened - we really would have to become imperialist - so we could be more land in order to give homes to all of them. We should pull our military out of the world arena - let France defend the world. It is sort of funny though - before North Korea started acting up - there were anti-American protests repeatedly throughout South Korea. Now they've had huge pro-American demonstrations. Maybe they realised again - with the help of North Korea - that without us there - there isn't too much to prevent NK from coming over the border. Who's going to come to their rescue - France? Europe? They can't even protect their own backyards without our help.
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Christ Jdevil, Bin Laden was the result of America. Bosnia eh? thats why they are still struggling huh? America only cares for itself. which is alright. on India, doing things tp pakistan. They would do it ne way. America or otherwise. America is important, but not something the world will die without. There is hunger and poverty on earth. America spends in luxury. on a second note, i think the world can well do without all this, evryhting going america's way. evrything. the natural resources, the money. think about it Jdevil.
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We're not going to cut ourselves off from trading partners - but we should stop protecting the world. I have repeatedly argued that we should pull our troops out of the world, out of Europe, out of the Middle East and out of Asia. We should just worry about the Western Hemisphere. We don't need the Middle East oil - we only get a fraction of our oil there. It's Europe wchih gets over 50% of it's oil from the Middle East and Japan gets over 70%. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Venezuela and ourselves.
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[QUOTE]I have thought about it - and you make no sense. We have created society which allows us to make a better life for ourselves. You think the money we have is just handed to us????? or are you claiming we stole it like so many European countries did?
We're not going to cut ourselves off from trading partners - but we should stop protecting the world. I have repeatedly argued that we should pull our troops out of the world, out of Europe, out of the Middle East and out of Asia. We should just worry about the Western Hemisphere. We don't need the Middle East oil - we only get a fraction of our oil there. It's Europe wchih gets over 50% of it's oil from the Middle East and Japan gets over 70%. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Venezuela and ourselves. ********************************************* only thing i agree with you so far, of u guys r3eceding from places where u dont belong. And about the oil. r u sure?
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Fine. Isolate yourselves if you want to. It's your choice. But it would of course confirm every stereotype, every prejudice that the world has of America - that they don't care about anyone other than themselves, that they're selfish and thoughtless and ignorant. So if you don't care about anyone other than yourselves, go ahead and be isolationist. But I can't seriously believe that you think America should even consider doing this. America is far too great a country to be so inward-looking. It is of course correct to say that the American government was elected to protect the interests of the American people. That's true of any country - Tony Blair said the same thing about Britain just yesterday. But does that make it right for a nation to ignore the views of any other nation? Or to ignore the views of every nation in the world, which is effectively what isolationism amounts to? What I'm trying to say (very inarticulately) is that the US does not operate entirely in a vaccuum. Nor can it, even if it wants to. Whatever you do affects the whole world, whether you care about its support or not. That's simply a fact. Therefore, the rest of the world is entitled to an opinion on what you do. Thank God the current American Government doesn't think like some of you here. They can see the importance of international cooperation, and don't suggest America abandons the rest of us entirely. And I for one am grateful for it. BTW, just in passing, it does seem like some of you hate Europe far more than Europe hates you.
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When people start demonstrating against Hussein and demand that he give up his weapons and disarm, when people demonstrate against the Palestinian Suicide Bombers - and stop only putting the blame on Israel - then I might believe the world appreciates the good the US does.
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Nobody wants to go to war, and I was against it at first. But the fact is people in Iraq are suffering and need aid, that just won't get through while Hussein is there. It is about time that something was done and i'm glad that the USA and England are so far working to try and rid the world of a person who is causing so much pain.
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