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IIRC RÃ*an did go into that a while back. Hope you put a little "refpost" tag in it RÃ*.
This is a good question. I am very confused to this day, and I'll make sure to look at RÃ*'s link when she posts it.
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Interesting story about soccer ... *rabbit trail warning* ... one of our kids accidentally fell from a beam over a concrete floor, and was heading head-first for the concrete. If I was next to him, I would have grabbed for him with my hands ... and missed But my hubby was right there, and his totally automatic reflex was to catch him with his foot, soccer-style, and he was saved from grave injury. Thank God for his many years playing soccer! (EDIT - no, do not call child protection services! This was our son who is missing his legs - a normal kid would have fallen on his feet with no problem - and it was a freak accident. It should never have happened! but hey, ya got kids, ya got the occasional freak accident!) Quote:
Every offense/sin is against God. There's a story in the Old Testament about a guy named Joseph. He was the master of Potiphar's household, and apparently quite good-looking. Potiphar's wife tried to get him to commit adultery with her. Joseph refused, on the ground that his master had trusted him and been very good to him, and he also said, "How can I do this great evil, and sin against God?" It's the same concept as how a murder is an "offense" to the murder victim & family, etc., as well as an "offense" to the state.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 01-20-2005 at 11:17 PM. |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 01-20-2005 at 04:52 PM. |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Brownie's on the hot seat, pytt, but he's been busy at work and unable to get to the many excellent pending questions, so I went ahead and answered, since he didn't seem to mind. I'll try to find a post on that subject for you. Brownie - hurry back!!!!!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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01-20-2005, 05:09 PM | #1088 |
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Rian...I'm sorry it bugs you so much that I think I'm right...but I most certainly do. BTW....I tolerate many Christians.... If they (or anyone for that matter) happen to go on too much about their fantasy religion (meaning the aspects that nobody has ever actually experienced ...except in "visions") I don't take them very seriously though.
I "could" be wrong...but I'd be VERY surprised if I was. That's my OPINION.....take it or leave it, It doesn't really matter, but I'm very comfortable with it.
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01-20-2005, 05:16 PM | #1089 |
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It doesn't bug me that you think you're right, Liz!!! I would certainly hope you think you're right!!! Why would you believe something if you think it's wrong?
What bothered me is that you didn't seem to think there's a possibility that you're wrong (but you just said you did, so good!) And also the way you worded things about "fantasy" and "stories", I took it as you think people are deliberately deceiving themselves if they didn't follow your beliefs. You just didn't seem to believe that people could sincerely hold beliefs that are different from yours. But maybe I just really misinterpreted you. Have you ever thought of attempting a Tolkien-based picture? I think you could do a really nice Lothlorien one ...
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 01-20-2005 at 05:17 PM. |
01-20-2005, 06:50 PM | #1090 | |
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That's as close to "maybe I'm wrong" as you can get without toeing the line? How long have you been married? Seems a pretty practiced answer to me . You won't mind if I say I hope your ARE surprised and that it is a PLEASANT one, will you? And didn't someone say somewhere sometime that anytime we were comfortable, we should be worried, as a protest against "comfortable Christians"? Or does my ageing grey matter betray me yet again?
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01-20-2005, 07:25 PM | #1091 | ||
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Your grey matter is probably in pretty good shape Inked.
But really, what's wrong with being comfortable? Open question to all. Is Brownie still on the hotseat?
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01-20-2005, 07:32 PM | #1092 |
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Being comfortable you lose the sense of what is important and what isn't, as nothing is being tested.
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I turn 49 this month guys...I've got the "what I believe" thing pretty well figured out. Being comfortable is good.
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*applause*I like people who are decided. It's really annoying when people choose to believe what they want to believe, don't know why, and don't care if it stands against reason. From where you stand, even if you don't believe it, Christianity does not actually stand against reason. Well, I don't actually mean to say Christianity. I mean, that there is a God and he created the world and became a man and all that. That doesn't stand against reason. At least, it's not logically incomprehensible. If there is an All-mighty, All-powerful loving God, then all the rest is pretty simple. People try to make it complicated after that but it's not, really. I really don't understand people (self-proclaimed Christians) who believe that there is a God (in the Christian sense) but don't believe two-thirds of what the Bible says! They pick out the parts that say "Love your neighbor as yourself" and the rest is myth. So many other religions have teachings like "love your neighbor". Great teachings. They could be just as happy without bothering with the title "Christian". Christianity is not a Philosophy or a lesson in Ethics like so many people treat it. Sorry about the rambling.
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Hi JFHannah! Nice post - I hope you can stick around and ask brownie some good, thoughtful questions, then take a turn in the hot seat yourself if you'd like to I totally agree with you that Christianity is not a philosophy or a lesson in ethics - it's a truth claim, and it needs to be evaluated as such.
Yes, brownie is still on the seat - apparently work has picked up and he can't quite get here. Hopefully he'll be back soon (or backson, as Christopher Robin says) and answer those good pending questions! Since I got a panicked PM from someone already , I added this to my post that described the accident : (EDIT - no, do not call child protection services! This was our son who is missing his legs - a normal kid would have fallen on his feet with no problem - and it was a freak accident. It should never have happened! but hey, ya got kids, ya got the occasional freak accident!)
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I'll join the general musing on the pros and cons of "comfortable" while we're waiting for brownie ... will try to muse tonight and post tomorrow. Interesting question, Nurv!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
01-20-2005, 11:51 PM | #1097 |
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Well, Lizra,
You just ignored my #1090, didn't ya?! That's what's wrong with you young whippersnappers today! Ya got no respect for your elders!!! So, before you get rheumatic and everything, specially afore you get too comfortable, answer an older man his question or two, eh?
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I don't think I'm wrong, I just told Rian she "could" be right, because I (of course) am making an educated guess. ( there is no actual REAL information about what happens when we die because everybody who has died seems to have lost their ability to communicate.... ) While I do consider other people's feelings to "keep the peace"...I am a very firm believer in honesty is the best policy. Thats why I am not at all uncomfortable with saying I don't believe any of the fairy tale stuff many religions seem to be made of. False peace of mind is worthless...IMO. Now, when religions talk about how to be a good person...to yourself and others...this is good but "rewards" come from within...no "pearly gates"! I don't mind you saying you hope I'm pleasantly surprised Inked...I think that's sweet... And (I believe I already said this) .....being comfortable is a good thing im my book....I don't seek turmoil...been there, done that, don't see any particularly positive value in it.
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Comfortable is good. Until the moment lif isn't comfortably anymore. then the persons who have been uncomfortable have am advantage. they know how to handle it. if you are comfortable all of your life, the day you are not anymore, will be a great shock for you. I prefer to be comfortable. I don't see the point in being uncomfortable. Like askeths(correct writing?). I don't think they have it very comfortable, and I don't clearly see the point with it. I know they do it to come closer to God, and releas them self from the turmoils of this world, but I think that could be done when you are comfotable.
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to put it shortly... i think the only answer is time... looking at the world today in the relative short-term, 20+ years that is... one could say that we are going backwards as far as a "social safety net goes"... but in reality, i think society is much like the stock market... it makes advances, then has setbacks... but the overall trend is upwards if you stand back far enough while, in the US for example, we may get administrations in power that want to adjust, or even curtail the way social welfare programs work... when one truely looks at what is inacted, as opposed to what is spoken about, the changes tend to be relatively minor... i don't see us ever going back to a time when healthcare and subsistance-level pay were practically unknown to workers... the people would not stand for it... and while these conditions do exist in places like china and india today... as time goes by, the same things will happen there that happened here... workers will finally say, "that is enough" and they will demand a bigger piece of the pie whether we like it or not, today's world is a global economy... and eventually the demands of the common worker will balance out the desires of the capitalist, much like they did in the US back in the 1920s... differences in income will always exist... but even those at the very top will realize that it is to their advantage that none of the world's population is in a situation so destitute that their only alternative for change is violence
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