08-31-2005, 02:27 PM | #1041 | ||
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
Quote:
even if you buy the idea that "the flood" mucked up the whole fossil, strata, ice, etc. layers some 4400 years ago, one would assume that since then, those same geological indicators are fairly accurate... and those indicators also show thousands of diverse animals around the time period of 4,000 years ago
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
||
08-31-2005, 02:53 PM | #1042 | |||
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
Posts: 15,254
|
Quote:
The latest trick I've seen from some evolutionists is to redefine the word "fact". Many people rightly object to some evolutionists saying that evolution (i.e., macroevolution) is "fact". Of course we don't know it's fact! yet that doesn't stop the religious evolutionists from saying it's fact. So the lastest thing they are doing is redefining "fact" and then saying evolution is "fact" in the sense of this new definition. Quote:
Quote:
__________________
. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
|||
08-31-2005, 02:58 PM | #1043 | |||
Friendly Neigborhood Sith Lord
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 2,080
|
Quote:
its easy to see how the dog family branches out. darwins family tree just doesen't add up I mean come on brownie do you really believe that you came from a orangutang? and that brings up the interesting conundrum that if we evolved from the monkey why are there still monkeys?
__________________
I was Press Secretary for the Berlioz administration and also, but not limited to, owner and co operator of fully armed and operational battle station EDDIE Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
08-31-2005, 03:00 PM | #1044 | |||
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
Posts: 15,254
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
|||
08-31-2005, 03:01 PM | #1045 | ||
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
Posts: 15,254
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
||
08-31-2005, 03:06 PM | #1046 | |
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
Posts: 15,254
|
Quote:
__________________
. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
|
08-31-2005, 03:13 PM | #1047 | ||||
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
Posts: 15,254
|
Quote:
And I've explained the observations that lead many scientists to believe that creation is indicated. Quote:
I really think I explained it well in my biology teacher post. To me, that seems the most openminded to knowledge. Quote:
Quote:
I've also explained how we observe and infer creation in other scientific fields. Have you just not seen my posts, or do you disagree? It sounds like you haven't seen my posts, because you aren't responding to what I say, you're just repeating your claims
__________________
. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
||||
08-31-2005, 03:28 PM | #1048 | ||
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
and on monkeys... a chimpanzee is not terribly more different physically and biologically than a fox is from a poodle... we could easily be from the "chimp-type" family, even if you don't want to believe the particle to people thing and you didn't answer my other question: Quote:
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
||
08-31-2005, 03:33 PM | #1049 | |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
|
08-31-2005, 03:42 PM | #1050 | |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
god is not the answer science gives to questions they can answer in other ways... but it is the answer some give to questions they can not answer in other ways... or if they don't like the current answers proposed we can ask "why does the earth revolve around the sun?" one could reply, "because god created it that way" okay, you can't argue that... but let's see if we can come up with an alternative explanation... it's the same thing einstein did with time... a very complicated theory, but an explanation none the less that is grounded in observation i await some evidence in a "creator" that is grounded in observation
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
|
08-31-2005, 05:53 PM | #1051 | ||
Friendly Neigborhood Sith Lord
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 2,080
|
[QUOTE]even if you buy the idea that "the flood" mucked up the whole fossil, strata, ice, etc. layers some 4400 years ago, one would assume that since then, those same geological indicators are fairly accurate [QOUTE]
i'm not sure i understand your question could you rephrase it please
__________________
I was Press Secretary for the Berlioz administration and also, but not limited to, owner and co operator of fully armed and operational battle station EDDIE Quote:
Quote:
|
||
08-31-2005, 10:27 PM | #1052 | ||
Quasi Evil
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 4,634
|
Quote:
No observable evidence eh? *snort* Quote:
__________________
"People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." |
||
09-01-2005, 04:57 AM | #1053 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
Posts: 3,288
|
Rian, you're doing a sterling job, but I think you're on a sticky wicket here!
If we're talking logic, then let's be clear what's being said. 1) Belief in God => morality 2) Disbelief in God / Belief in evolution => amorality Both of these can be clearly demonstrated to be untrue from the observable evidence. One might logically infer 1) if one restricted oneself to a priori statements about the nature of God and belief, but these simply don't stand up to the evidence. In Dahmer's case, we're talking causation, not logic; his psychopathology would be the "cause" IMO. Talking causes, I would say that belief in God is one of the most important "causes" of morality, however. As we evolved complex social systems we developed means of regulating behaviours, without which such systems cannot function. Religion evolved partly to fulfil this role and to transfer this knowledge down the generations. There are two main reasons why evolutionists should regulate their behaviour: 1) because if they don't, they will be lynched; 2) because it's right. |
09-01-2005, 09:19 AM | #1054 | |||
Friendly Neigborhood Sith Lord
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 2,080
|
Quote:
and the other question the geological data is accurate only as it has been observed (as you have repeatedly stated) therefore the claims of millions of years of erosion are simply not plausible
__________________
I was Press Secretary for the Berlioz administration and also, but not limited to, owner and co operator of fully armed and operational battle station EDDIE Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
09-01-2005, 10:10 AM | #1055 | ||
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
Quote:
my question? since the flood (about 4,400 years ago), there have been no more divine acts that would change these geological indicators the way the flood did... so one would assume that young earth scientists would accept, at least, post-flood geological data or, to put it simpler... they would trust the first 4,400 layers more or less, just not the ones deeper than that... is this true?
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
||
09-01-2005, 10:21 AM | #1056 | |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
|
09-01-2005, 10:30 AM | #1057 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
Personally I'm rooting for the chimp theory.
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
09-01-2005, 03:53 PM | #1058 | |||
Friendly Neigborhood Sith Lord
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 2,080
|
Quote:
What are you leading up to?
__________________
I was Press Secretary for the Berlioz administration and also, but not limited to, owner and co operator of fully armed and operational battle station EDDIE Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
09-01-2005, 03:58 PM | #1059 | ||||
Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!)
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Not where I want to be ...
Posts: 15,254
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
||||
09-01-2005, 04:23 PM | #1060 | ||
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
what about my other question about galaxies from earlier: Quote:
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
||
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Evidence for Evolution | jerseydevil | General Messages | 599 | 05-18-2008 02:43 PM |
How to teach evolution & Evidence for Creationism II | Nurvingiel | General Messages | 528 | 08-05-2006 03:50 AM |
Evidence for Creationism and Against Evolution | RÃan | General Messages | 1149 | 08-16-2004 06:07 PM |